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"Shareholders" and "owner" are not synonymous terms. Shareholders don't "own" the company; they hold shares in the company. https://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/a

"Shareholders" and "owner" are not synonymous terms. Shareholders don't "own" the company; they hold shares in the company. https://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/academics/clarke_business_law_institute/corporations-and-society/Common-Misunderstandings-About-Corporations.cfm https://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/academics/clarke_business_... "First, shareholders do not own business corporations, nor do they own the assets of the corporate entities... Shareholders own shares." Somewhere back in the eighties, it became popular in the business community to say that the purpose of a company is to maximise shareholder value. That opinion and others like it have now so saturated society that people take it as received truth, but it's not. Likewise the idea that shareholders are owners. Now, as in many things, laws do change over time and if enough people continue to believe this hard enough for long enough, there will eventually be enough case law that it ultimately become true. One day, it might be true, and law. That day has not yet come.

kgwgk 7y ago
You are right at least in part, strictly speaking the owner(s) of a company do(es) own its assets only in an indirect way. But I don't get the "shareholders do not own business corporations" bit. Would a sole owner "own" a business corporation? Do real estate owners "own" real estate or do they own "bundles of intangible rights"?
- EliRivers 7y ago
  But I don't get the "shareholders do not own business corporations" bit. Well, why would they? At risk of horrifically simplifying things, I have a company, I decide I want some more money. I sell you the right to vote in some things that concern the company, and I sell you a share of any dividends that get paid out in the future. That's what you get. Do you now own the company? Do you own the company assets? I didn't sell that to you. I sold you the right to vote in some company meetings and decision making processes, and I sold you a piece of any future dividends that get paid out to you and others like you. Doesn't sound like "owning" something to me.
  - kgwgk 7y ago
    > I have a company What does that mean? You don’t “own” the company, do you?
    - EliRivers 7y ago
      Certainly not in the same way that I can own a pen or a nice wristwatch. Now we're getting somewhere! So what does it mean to "own" a company? If the company is just me and a bag of tools, fixing people's cars on their driveway, do I own that company? What does it even mean for me to "own" it?
      - Gibbon1 7y ago
        You're making a good argument to point out that 'ownership' takes a lot of different forms. And an interest in one class of thing isn't the same as others. Ownership comes with differing, restrictions, rights, and responsibilities depending on the thing. An opinion of mine the ownership of a company through stocks is secondary to stocks being a quasi-cash financial instrument like bonds.

kgwgk 7y ago

You are right at least in part, strictly speaking the owner(s) of a company do(es) own its assets only in an indirect way. But I don't get the "shareholders do not own business corporations" bit. Would a sole owner "own" a business corporation? Do real estate owners "own" real estate or do they own "bundles of intangible rights"?

EliRivers 7y ago
But I don't get the "shareholders do not own business corporations" bit. Well, why would they? At risk of horrifically simplifying things, I have a company, I decide I want some more money. I sell you the right to vote in some things that concern the company, and I sell you a share of any dividends that get paid out in the future. That's what you get. Do you now own the company? Do you own the company assets? I didn't sell that to you. I sold you the right to vote in some company meetings and decision making processes, and I sold you a piece of any future dividends that get paid out to you and others like you. Doesn't sound like "owning" something to me.
- kgwgk 7y ago
  > I have a company What does that mean? You don’t “own” the company, do you?
  - EliRivers 7y ago
    Certainly not in the same way that I can own a pen or a nice wristwatch. Now we're getting somewhere! So what does it mean to "own" a company? If the company is just me and a bag of tools, fixing people's cars on their driveway, do I own that company? What does it even mean for me to "own" it?
    - Gibbon1 7y ago
      You're making a good argument to point out that 'ownership' takes a lot of different forms. And an interest in one class of thing isn't the same as others. Ownership comes with differing, restrictions, rights, and responsibilities depending on the thing. An opinion of mine the ownership of a company through stocks is secondary to stocks being a quasi-cash financial instrument like bonds.