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The article compares languages based on numbers of job postings. Quality of jobs != quantity of jobs.

by timrobinson 16y ago

Groxx 16y ago
Agreed, though ActionScript's lines are pretty interesting. Up up up.... and flat for two years.
- sigzero 16y ago
  "Bear in mind that all job postings that reference Flex or AIR would assume knowledge of Actionscript, without necessarily mentioning it."
  - Groxx 16y ago
    Ah, thanks, I missed that part. Why didn't they just include Flex / AIR in the AS results? There's clearly a strong enough connection to do so.
raganwald 16y ago
Agreed! One possible explanation for the number of job postings for Actionscript is that the culture around doing Flash animations is one where there is high turnover. Thus there are lots of open jobs at any one time. Another possible explanation is that there is a culture of paying people very little for full time jobs but overpaying agencies (who also pay little). As a result, companies are constantly hoping to hire someone at a bargain but rarely finding anyone willing to work long hours for low wages, and they are forced to go to agencies for their needs. I don't know if either explanation is true, of course, but I do know that I'd look into a lot more than a single cherry-picked statistic before deciding I wanted to learn a new programming language.
- timrobinson 16y ago
  I wonder if a more useful comparison would be salary (or rate of change of salary over time). I started learning functional programming over Christmas 2008 for two reasons: - Mainly because it looked fun, and very different from what I'd done before - Although I had no idea whether F# or Haskell jobs would come up, I knew that if they did come up, they'd be just right for me
  - thomas11 16y ago
    So, did any jobs come up? Looking at your blog, you seem to be have been pretty involved in F# until May.
    - timrobinson 16y ago
      An F# job did come up, and I'm quite happy with it :) I'd like to be more involved in the functional programming community; it's easy to dip in and out of Twitter and forum discussions, but blogging is one thing that's dropped off since the summer.
    - Periodic 16y ago
      I've been getting more and more invested in functional programming to the tune of Haskell and Erlang over the last two years. Unfortunately, the jobs seem to be all Java and Ruby on Rails, because that's what my resume says I have experience with. Me: "I'm really interested in functional programming and scaling distributed computing." HR: "Well, I see here you've worked on Java in the payment industry. We're always looking for more people to work on our reporting team. Let's put you over there. I think they have a J2EE web-app from eight years ago that needs a few more features." So I find myself settling and maintaining my sanity with pet projects. I am taking steps to rectify this.

The article compares languages based on numbers of job postings. Quality of jobs != quantity of jobs.

Groxx 16y ago

Agreed, though ActionScript's lines are pretty interesting. Up up up.... and flat for two years.

sigzero 16y ago
"Bear in mind that all job postings that reference Flex or AIR would assume knowledge of Actionscript, without necessarily mentioning it."
- Groxx 16y ago
  Ah, thanks, I missed that part. Why didn't they just include Flex / AIR in the AS results? There's clearly a strong enough connection to do so.

raganwald 16y ago

Agreed! One possible explanation for the number of job postings for Actionscript is that the culture around doing Flash animations is one where there is high turnover. Thus there are lots of open jobs at any one time. Another possible explanation is that there is a culture of paying people very little for full time jobs but overpaying agencies (who also pay little). As a result, companies are constantly hoping to hire someone at a bargain but rarely finding anyone willing to work long hours for low wages, and they are forced to go to agencies for their needs. I don't know if either explanation is true, of course, but I do know that I'd look into a lot more than a single cherry-picked statistic before deciding I wanted to learn a new programming language.

timrobinson 16y ago
I wonder if a more useful comparison would be salary (or rate of change of salary over time). I started learning functional programming over Christmas 2008 for two reasons: - Mainly because it looked fun, and very different from what I'd done before - Although I had no idea whether F# or Haskell jobs would come up, I knew that if they did come up, they'd be just right for me
- thomas11 16y ago
  So, did any jobs come up? Looking at your blog, you seem to be have been pretty involved in F# until May.
  - timrobinson 16y ago
    An F# job did come up, and I'm quite happy with it :) I'd like to be more involved in the functional programming community; it's easy to dip in and out of Twitter and forum discussions, but blogging is one thing that's dropped off since the summer.
  - Periodic 16y ago
    I've been getting more and more invested in functional programming to the tune of Haskell and Erlang over the last two years. Unfortunately, the jobs seem to be all Java and Ruby on Rails, because that's what my resume says I have experience with. Me: "I'm really interested in functional programming and scaling distributed computing." HR: "Well, I see here you've worked on Java in the payment industry. We're always looking for more people to work on our reporting team. Let's put you over there. I think they have a J2EE web-app from eight years ago that needs a few more features." So I find myself settling and maintaining my sanity with pet projects. I am taking steps to rectify this.