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The recently updated (Jan 2019) Canada's Food Guide also agrees with that approach [0][1]. [0] https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/ https://food-guide.canada.ca/en

The recently updated (Jan 2019) Canada's Food Guide also agrees with that approach [0][1]. [0] https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/ https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada's_Food_Guide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada's_Food_Guide

YeGoblynQueenne 7y ago
Reading the guide [1] I can see that it recommends, for adult men, 7-10 servings of fruits and veg, 7-8 of grain products, 3-4 dairy and 3 of meat _and alternatives_, which means vegetable sources of protein, particularly beans and legumes, including peanutbutter. For adult women it's 7-8 servings, 6-7, 3-4 and 2, respectively. That's a predominantly carb-based diet, especially counting the "alternatives" to meat and the vegetables that include potatoes and sweet potatoes (the "other vegetables" category in the guide. You can see this also on the food guide's website [2] (and its wikipedia page) where an image summarises the recommendations: a full plate; half is fruit and veg (including sweet/ potatos); a quarter is carbs (black and white rice, noodles, bread, red quinoa); and another is meat and alternatives, which again, include beans, chickpeas, lentils, almonds, peanuts, tofu, walnuts and some grains I can't quite identify. So I don't know where you guys saw the low-carb diet. I particularly don't see any suggestion that grains are "for livestock". ____________________________ [1] http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/alt_formats/fnihb-dgspni/pdf/pubs/fnim-pnim/2007_fnim-pnim_food-guide-aliment-eng.pdf http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/alt_formats/fnihb-dgspni/pdf/pu... [2] https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/ https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/
- tareqak 7y ago
  Your link to in your [1] is the older version of the food guide (it has 2007 in the PDF file name) and is different from [2]. The food guide in your [2] specifically does not have servings and has a proportional plate instead [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%27s_Food_Guide#Serving_size_vs._proportion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%27s_Food_Guide#Serving_... . Update: I see where the mistake came from: the Wikipedia link for the "complete guide" under https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%27s_Food_Guide#Canada's_Food_Guide_First_Nations,_Inuit_and_M%C3%A9tis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%27s_Food_Guide#Canada's... points to the older page here http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/alt_formats/fnihb-dgspni/pdf/pubs/fnim-pnim/2007_fnim-pnim_food-guide-aliment-eng.pdf http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/alt_formats/fnihb-dgspni/pdf/pu... . The new complete guide is https://food-guide.canada.ca/static/assets/pdf/CFG-snapshot-EN.pdf https://food-guide.canada.ca/static/assets/pdf/CFG-snapshot-... . I don't know if there is an updated guide for First Nations, Inuit and Métis .
  - YeGoblynQueenne 7y ago
    You're right, my bad. But the new guide is the image I describe above, with the half-and-two-quarters plate. This is still a carb rich diet. In fact, it's virtually identical to the 2007 diet, only really changing the format of the advice. Even more so- the new guide now describes the food category that includes meat as "protein foods": https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/healthy-eating-recommendations/make-it-a-habit-to-eat-vegetables-fruit-whole-grains-and-protein-foods/eat-protein-foods/ https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/healthy-eating-recommendatio... These are: eggs lean meats and poultry lean cuts of beef, pork and wild game turkey chicken nuts and seeds peanuts almonds cashews nut butters sunflower seeds fish and shellfish trout shrimp salmon scallops sardines mackerel lower fat dairy products milk yogurt lower sodium cheeses beans, peas and lentils brown, green or red or other lentils peas such as chickpeas and split peas dried beans such as black beans and kidney beans fortified soy beverages, tofu, soybeans and other soy products So again, nuts and seeds, beans and legumes -not a low-carb diet by any means.
    - tareqak 7y ago
      I would say it is lower than before, which is definitely an improvement. I'm not aware of a specific number of calories or kilojoules for a diet to be considered low-carb. I guess there is some ambiguity on my part on what the low in low-carb means: low in comparison to the other nutrients in the meal? low as a proportion of daily caloric intake? It also seems that I'm not the only one who is confused [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-carbohydrate_diet#Definition_and_classification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-carbohydrate_diet#Definiti...
      - YeGoblynQueenne 7y ago
        Yes, that seems to be typical. There is no agreement on what "low-carb" even means. And yet, there are many people who are very vocal about the benefits of such diets. I note also that there are no public bodies that recommend such diets- it's only private companies and individuals. >> I would say it is lower than before, which is definitely an improvement. I can't see that this is the case- at least not in comparing the 2019 with the 2007 guide.

YeGoblynQueenne 7y ago

Reading the guide [1] I can see that it recommends, for adult men, 7-10 servings of fruits and veg, 7-8 of grain products, 3-4 dairy and 3 of meat _and alternatives_, which means vegetable sources of protein, particularly beans and legumes, including peanutbutter. For adult women it's 7-8 servings, 6-7, 3-4 and 2, respectively. That's a predominantly carb-based diet, especially counting the "alternatives" to meat and the vegetables that include potatoes and sweet potatoes (the "other vegetables" category in the guide. You can see this also on the food guide's website [2] (and its wikipedia page) where an image summarises the recommendations: a full plate; half is fruit and veg (including sweet/ potatos); a quarter is carbs (black and white rice, noodles, bread, red quinoa); and another is meat and alternatives, which again, include beans, chickpeas, lentils, almonds, peanuts, tofu, walnuts and some grains I can't quite identify. So I don't know where you guys saw the low-carb diet. I particularly don't see any suggestion that grains are "for livestock". ____________________________ [1] http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/alt_formats/fnihb-dgspni/pdf/pubs/fnim-pnim/2007_fnim-pnim_food-guide-aliment-eng.pdf http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/alt_formats/fnihb-dgspni/pdf/pu... [2] https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/ https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/

tareqak 7y ago
Your link to in your [1] is the older version of the food guide (it has 2007 in the PDF file name) and is different from [2]. The food guide in your [2] specifically does not have servings and has a proportional plate instead [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%27s_Food_Guide#Serving_size_vs._proportion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%27s_Food_Guide#Serving_... . Update: I see where the mistake came from: the Wikipedia link for the "complete guide" under https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%27s_Food_Guide#Canada's_Food_Guide_First_Nations,_Inuit_and_M%C3%A9tis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%27s_Food_Guide#Canada's... points to the older page here http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/alt_formats/fnihb-dgspni/pdf/pubs/fnim-pnim/2007_fnim-pnim_food-guide-aliment-eng.pdf http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/alt_formats/fnihb-dgspni/pdf/pu... . The new complete guide is https://food-guide.canada.ca/static/assets/pdf/CFG-snapshot-EN.pdf https://food-guide.canada.ca/static/assets/pdf/CFG-snapshot-... . I don't know if there is an updated guide for First Nations, Inuit and Métis .
- YeGoblynQueenne 7y ago
  You're right, my bad. But the new guide is the image I describe above, with the half-and-two-quarters plate. This is still a carb rich diet. In fact, it's virtually identical to the 2007 diet, only really changing the format of the advice. Even more so- the new guide now describes the food category that includes meat as "protein foods": https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/healthy-eating-recommendations/make-it-a-habit-to-eat-vegetables-fruit-whole-grains-and-protein-foods/eat-protein-foods/ https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/healthy-eating-recommendatio... These are: eggs lean meats and poultry lean cuts of beef, pork and wild game turkey chicken nuts and seeds peanuts almonds cashews nut butters sunflower seeds fish and shellfish trout shrimp salmon scallops sardines mackerel lower fat dairy products milk yogurt lower sodium cheeses beans, peas and lentils brown, green or red or other lentils peas such as chickpeas and split peas dried beans such as black beans and kidney beans fortified soy beverages, tofu, soybeans and other soy products So again, nuts and seeds, beans and legumes -not a low-carb diet by any means.
  - tareqak 7y ago
    I would say it is lower than before, which is definitely an improvement. I'm not aware of a specific number of calories or kilojoules for a diet to be considered low-carb. I guess there is some ambiguity on my part on what the low in low-carb means: low in comparison to the other nutrients in the meal? low as a proportion of daily caloric intake? It also seems that I'm not the only one who is confused [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-carbohydrate_diet#Definition_and_classification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-carbohydrate_diet#Definiti...
    - YeGoblynQueenne 7y ago
      Yes, that seems to be typical. There is no agreement on what "low-carb" even means. And yet, there are many people who are very vocal about the benefits of such diets. I note also that there are no public bodies that recommend such diets- it's only private companies and individuals. >> I would say it is lower than before, which is definitely an improvement. I can't see that this is the case- at least not in comparing the 2019 with the 2007 guide.