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Specifically for diet, I feel exactly like this every time I try to get nutrition advice, online or elsewhere. It seems like everyone disagrees, but in the end

Specifically for diet, I feel exactly like this every time I try to get nutrition advice, online or elsewhere. It seems like everyone disagrees, but in the end I don't have a concrete answer to "how do I not die" and have to choose something as eating is an obligation. Eventually I decided to stick to simple foods like lentils on a daily basis and to stay away from processed things. I feel hungrier on average, but I guess it's a tradeoff for not dying too early. I tend to remember Michael Pollan's mantra: Eat food, not too much, mostly plants.

Japhy_Ryder 7y ago
> I don't have a concrete answer to "how do I not die" Michael Greger, MD does: How Not to Die [0]. Basically, to save you from reading the book, go vegan. He has a great cookbook too based on the advice in the book [1]. His nutritionfacts.org site in general is an excellent, science/fact-based resource. [0] https://nutritionfacts.org/book/ https://nutritionfacts.org/book/ [1] https://nutritionfacts.org/cookbook/ https://nutritionfacts.org/cookbook/
- QuantumAphid 7y ago
  Except that as a vegan you will need to take supplements in order to fill many of the nutrient gaps in the diet. Very noble diet/ethos for many reasons, but it is not optimized for nutrition, it's optimized for other goals.
  - hsudheh 7y ago
    No you do not. You are misinformed.
  - Japhy_Ryder 7y ago
    Any diet will have “nutrient gaps”. Virtually anyone regardless of diet would benefit from magnesium, vitamin D, and a good probiotic. Also, EPA/DHA is really powerful stuff.
    - QuantumAphid 7y ago
      Not so. A person can get a complete range of essential nutrients, vitamins and minerals by eating a balanced and varied diet (which includes plants and animal foods). Some diets, including a standard american diet but especially exclusionary diets like vegan, vegetarian, keto, carnivore/paleo diets can have major nutrient gaps. Those types of diets require careful planning of meals and/or supplementation to address gaps. Magnesium isn't hard to get. Vitamin D and EPA/DHA are easy to get if you eat animal foods (esp fatty fish, liver, cheese and eggs). Probiotics is a vague category and hasn't been shown to be necessary in a diet. Medical science understands so little about the gut-biome that you should be extremely suspicious of anyone claiming to be an expert. The advice usually boils down to general platitudes like,"Fermented foods and fiber feed our gut bacteria and is good for overall gut health." without defining what any of that means or how it works. I guess other animals/omnivores that don't eat fermented foods or fiber must really be undercutting their lifespan potential.
- sridca 7y ago
  Why are you spamming this thread by posting biased sources? Michael Greger is a vegan, and is not exactly unbiased. https://www.reddit.com/r/ScientificNutrition/comments/adfowt/how_not_to_die_by_dr_michael_greger_a_critical/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ScientificNutrition/comments/adfowt...
  - QuantumAphid 7y ago
    To be honest, the guy looks like he's physically wasting away before our very eyes.
  - QuantumAphid 7y ago
    If you want to see what the term "skinny fat" means, I invite you to look at the hard-core vegans, especially the fruitarians and others who look like their lifeforce is slowly draining away. It's a shame from a nutrition standpoint, but veganism is NOT a diet for optimal nutrition. It is an interesting diet from an ethics standpoint, I grant them that. And despite the long-term wasting away effects, veganism is superior to a standard american diet loaded with sugar, heavily processed carbs and vegetable/seed oils.
sridca 7y ago
> I feel exactly like this every time I try to get nutrition advice, online or elsewhere. Except when it is Michael Pollan's advice, right? :-P
- nonbirithm 7y ago
  I ended up having to go with something, because not eating isn't an option. But Pollan doesn't really specify exactly what to eat on a day to day basis. It's only a general principal. I guess having to plan everything out and decide for oneself is a challenge, but also a skill people should learn eventually to stay healthy. Sometimes I kind of wish I knew someone who I know is healthy so I could ask about precisely what they eat for each meal, what kind of things they aim for buying at market, etc. Not to just copy, but to use as one source of info. I feel clueless when it comes to this kind of thing.
  - sridca 7y ago
    > Sometimes I kind of wish I knew someone who I know is healthy so I could ask about precisely what they eat for each meal Being healthy is not just a matter of diet, but also ... stress levels. > I feel clueless when it comes to this kind of thing But you can find it out for yourself, can't you? By trying out a diet for one month, and see how you feel at the end. Example instructions for the carnivore diet: http://www.empiri.ca/p/eat-meat-not-too-little-mostly-fat.html http://www.empiri.ca/p/eat-meat-not-too-little-mostly-fat.ht... Finding out the facts for yourself is the best way to go, as listening to other people means you will inevitably be inheriting their biased beliefs. It is called self-experimentation.

Japhy_Ryder 7y ago

> I don't have a concrete answer to "how do I not die" Michael Greger, MD does: How Not to Die [0]. Basically, to save you from reading the book, go vegan. He has a great cookbook too based on the advice in the book [1]. His nutritionfacts.org site in general is an excellent, science/fact-based resource. [0] https://nutritionfacts.org/book/ https://nutritionfacts.org/book/ [1] https://nutritionfacts.org/cookbook/ https://nutritionfacts.org/cookbook/

QuantumAphid 7y ago
Except that as a vegan you will need to take supplements in order to fill many of the nutrient gaps in the diet. Very noble diet/ethos for many reasons, but it is not optimized for nutrition, it's optimized for other goals.
- hsudheh 7y ago
  No you do not. You are misinformed.
- Japhy_Ryder 7y ago
  Any diet will have “nutrient gaps”. Virtually anyone regardless of diet would benefit from magnesium, vitamin D, and a good probiotic. Also, EPA/DHA is really powerful stuff.
  - QuantumAphid 7y ago
    Not so. A person can get a complete range of essential nutrients, vitamins and minerals by eating a balanced and varied diet (which includes plants and animal foods). Some diets, including a standard american diet but especially exclusionary diets like vegan, vegetarian, keto, carnivore/paleo diets can have major nutrient gaps. Those types of diets require careful planning of meals and/or supplementation to address gaps. Magnesium isn't hard to get. Vitamin D and EPA/DHA are easy to get if you eat animal foods (esp fatty fish, liver, cheese and eggs). Probiotics is a vague category and hasn't been shown to be necessary in a diet. Medical science understands so little about the gut-biome that you should be extremely suspicious of anyone claiming to be an expert. The advice usually boils down to general platitudes like,"Fermented foods and fiber feed our gut bacteria and is good for overall gut health." without defining what any of that means or how it works. I guess other animals/omnivores that don't eat fermented foods or fiber must really be undercutting their lifespan potential.
sridca 7y ago
Why are you spamming this thread by posting biased sources? Michael Greger is a vegan, and is not exactly unbiased. https://www.reddit.com/r/ScientificNutrition/comments/adfowt/how_not_to_die_by_dr_michael_greger_a_critical/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ScientificNutrition/comments/adfowt...
- QuantumAphid 7y ago
  To be honest, the guy looks like he's physically wasting away before our very eyes.
- QuantumAphid 7y ago
  If you want to see what the term "skinny fat" means, I invite you to look at the hard-core vegans, especially the fruitarians and others who look like their lifeforce is slowly draining away. It's a shame from a nutrition standpoint, but veganism is NOT a diet for optimal nutrition. It is an interesting diet from an ethics standpoint, I grant them that. And despite the long-term wasting away effects, veganism is superior to a standard american diet loaded with sugar, heavily processed carbs and vegetable/seed oils.

sridca 7y ago

> I feel exactly like this every time I try to get nutrition advice, online or elsewhere. Except when it is Michael Pollan's advice, right? :-P

nonbirithm 7y ago
I ended up having to go with something, because not eating isn't an option. But Pollan doesn't really specify exactly what to eat on a day to day basis. It's only a general principal. I guess having to plan everything out and decide for oneself is a challenge, but also a skill people should learn eventually to stay healthy. Sometimes I kind of wish I knew someone who I know is healthy so I could ask about precisely what they eat for each meal, what kind of things they aim for buying at market, etc. Not to just copy, but to use as one source of info. I feel clueless when it comes to this kind of thing.
- sridca 7y ago
  > Sometimes I kind of wish I knew someone who I know is healthy so I could ask about precisely what they eat for each meal Being healthy is not just a matter of diet, but also ... stress levels. > I feel clueless when it comes to this kind of thing But you can find it out for yourself, can't you? By trying out a diet for one month, and see how you feel at the end. Example instructions for the carnivore diet: http://www.empiri.ca/p/eat-meat-not-too-little-mostly-fat.html http://www.empiri.ca/p/eat-meat-not-too-little-mostly-fat.ht... Finding out the facts for yourself is the best way to go, as listening to other people means you will inevitably be inheriting their biased beliefs. It is called self-experimentation.