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In what why is this not true of centralized services too? If you "plug and forget" from a paid centralized service not using IPFS you have even less recourse.

In what why is this not true of centralized services too? If you "plug and forget" from a paid centralized service not using IPFS you have even less recourse. With IPFS it doesn't matter whether the blocks are locally on your system or in a paid cloud, the blocks are readily available because they are transparently available from BOTH. If you stop paying the cloud the blocks are still available but slower if they are on a slower pipe.

asdkhadsj 7y ago
Maybe I misunderstand you - but I think the objection is that paid services typically do a great job at hosting files. Normal casual people, do not. Eg, if I run a RaspPi from my closet it seems far more likely that my server will fail, than if I had used Google/etc. And IPFS does not work (or at least, has no guarantee) in the event of a file has no hosts. So the only way you could host it yourself safely would be to use something like P2P and distribute the files. Either at large scale (like FileCoin proposes), or by having something like RaspPi's in 2 family members closets so you have redundancy in your hosting - should your house burn down.
- chriswarbo 7y ago
  I've hosted Web sites, git repos, etc. from my laptop; it would be suspended/resumed during my commute, over night, I'd sometimes be in places without WiFi, etc. Since I was using IPFS that wasn't a problem, since I also had a few other machines hosting the same blocks from different places (including one in a different country).
  - asdkhadsj 7y ago
    Yea, but that requires other people to have gotten it. Which, if your site matters, is not a gamble you can take. I love IPFS, but it still needs a live server to pin a resource. Luckily you can host IPFS stuff (theoretically) on a tiny box because any amount of traffic becomes "instantly" distributed. But, still having it hosted is the only way to guarantee your content is actually available.
    - chriswarbo 7y ago
      > that requires other people to have gotten it Did you miss the last part where I said multiple machines are hosting it?
      - asdkhadsj 7y ago
        No, I just misunderstood it. You described hosting it on your laptop. Which, if "other machines host it" to cover your laptop downtime, I would not call it hosting on your laptop anymore lol. When you mentioned other machines, I assumed you meant that other machines had accessed the content and effectively temporarily seed it, as is the way IPFS works. If your point was truly that other machines have your content pinned, then what is your point about "hosting it on your laptop"? Seems a bizarre description if your laptop can be closed, but the other machines have the content actually pinned. It's hosted by the other machines, not your laptop.

asdkhadsj 7y ago

Maybe I misunderstand you - but I think the objection is that paid services typically do a great job at hosting files. Normal casual people, do not. Eg, if I run a RaspPi from my closet it seems far more likely that my server will fail, than if I had used Google/etc. And IPFS does not work (or at least, has no guarantee) in the event of a file has no hosts. So the only way you could host it yourself safely would be to use something like P2P and distribute the files. Either at large scale (like FileCoin proposes), or by having something like RaspPi's in 2 family members closets so you have redundancy in your hosting - should your house burn down.

chriswarbo 7y ago
I've hosted Web sites, git repos, etc. from my laptop; it would be suspended/resumed during my commute, over night, I'd sometimes be in places without WiFi, etc. Since I was using IPFS that wasn't a problem, since I also had a few other machines hosting the same blocks from different places (including one in a different country).
- asdkhadsj 7y ago
  Yea, but that requires other people to have gotten it. Which, if your site matters, is not a gamble you can take. I love IPFS, but it still needs a live server to pin a resource. Luckily you can host IPFS stuff (theoretically) on a tiny box because any amount of traffic becomes "instantly" distributed. But, still having it hosted is the only way to guarantee your content is actually available.
  - chriswarbo 7y ago
    > that requires other people to have gotten it Did you miss the last part where I said multiple machines are hosting it?
    - asdkhadsj 7y ago
      No, I just misunderstood it. You described hosting it on your laptop. Which, if "other machines host it" to cover your laptop downtime, I would not call it hosting on your laptop anymore lol. When you mentioned other machines, I assumed you meant that other machines had accessed the content and effectively temporarily seed it, as is the way IPFS works. If your point was truly that other machines have your content pinned, then what is your point about "hosting it on your laptop"? Seems a bizarre description if your laptop can be closed, but the other machines have the content actually pinned. It's hosted by the other machines, not your laptop.