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That is why the US was created as a Constitutional Republic. To prevent the catastrophe of a pure democracy Problem is the leaders of the country are profiting

by geggam 7y ago

That is why the US was created as a Constitutional Republic. To prevent the catastrophe of a pure democracy Problem is the leaders of the country are profiting from the demise. I see an "interesting" future for the next 20 years of the US

magduf 7y ago
>That is why the US was created as a Constitutional Republic. To prevent the catastrophe of a pure democracy Why do people like you bring up this canard? Can you point to any pure democracies, anywhere, ever, aside from Ancient Greece? The US isn't special; every decent country (and many not-so-great ones too) now is a democratic republic of some kind, usually constitutional (UK is a notable exception here).
- geggam 7y ago
  Because as you age you see how change is implemented. You watch the drift. Example. In my youth police were called peace officers. Their main mission was to enforce the peace at the expense of bending the law. Today law enforcement disrupts the peace to enforce the law. Society is not better off because of it. Watching presidents change what they called the nation from Republic to Democracy has also been something that happened. A republic is a nation of laws where everyone has the same rules. A democracy is simply a majority vote and currently the constitution and the laws are being marginalized. That is why folks bring up this "canard" FYI calling something constitutionally guaranteed, a canard is exactly to what I refer The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence. ARTICLE IV, SECTION 4
  - mcv 7y ago
    > A republic is a nation of laws where everyone has the same rules. Not necessarily. A republic is simply a country without a monarch. China is a republic. Iran is a republic. Russia is a republic. Democracies that are not republics include places like Denmark, Netherland, Sweden and Spain. The canard you're bringing up stems from a weird misunderstanding of what republics and democracies really are. Democracies have laws, the same rules for everyone, they have constitutions that (try to) guarantee equal rights. Democracies often have better "rule of law" than many republics, but ultimately, they believe that the authority stems from the people and that the government serves the people rather than the other way around. Fortunately many republics are also democracies. France, Germany, and, as many people would really, really like to believe, the United States of America. The fact that so many Americans don't really care about democracy, undermine its legitimacy with misleading arguments, and support an electoral system that denies minority representation while letting the loser of the popular vote win the presidency, is really sad.
    - geggam 7y ago
      You do realize the ability of the representative to override the majority vote in a republic was by design as the founders (read Madison's Federalist No. 10) did not trust the general public to make good choices (democracy). You can conflate the ideas all you want. Does not change the fact the US is a republic. Your example proved it.
mcv 7y ago
If you mean the fact that the US doesn't have proportional voting and a president can be elected on a minority of the popular vote, then I'm afraid those seem to be exactly what's causing the problem here. It magnifies the impact of the group that wants this theocratic ethnostate, and enabled the election of Donald, who would not have been elected otherwise.

by geggam 7y ago

magduf 7y ago

>That is why the US was created as a Constitutional Republic. To prevent the catastrophe of a pure democracy Why do people like you bring up this canard? Can you point to any pure democracies, anywhere, ever, aside from Ancient Greece? The US isn't special; every decent country (and many not-so-great ones too) now is a democratic republic of some kind, usually constitutional (UK is a notable exception here).

geggam 7y ago
Because as you age you see how change is implemented. You watch the drift. Example. In my youth police were called peace officers. Their main mission was to enforce the peace at the expense of bending the law. Today law enforcement disrupts the peace to enforce the law. Society is not better off because of it. Watching presidents change what they called the nation from Republic to Democracy has also been something that happened. A republic is a nation of laws where everyone has the same rules. A democracy is simply a majority vote and currently the constitution and the laws are being marginalized. That is why folks bring up this "canard" FYI calling something constitutionally guaranteed, a canard is exactly to what I refer The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence. ARTICLE IV, SECTION 4
- mcv 7y ago
  > A republic is a nation of laws where everyone has the same rules. Not necessarily. A republic is simply a country without a monarch. China is a republic. Iran is a republic. Russia is a republic. Democracies that are not republics include places like Denmark, Netherland, Sweden and Spain. The canard you're bringing up stems from a weird misunderstanding of what republics and democracies really are. Democracies have laws, the same rules for everyone, they have constitutions that (try to) guarantee equal rights. Democracies often have better "rule of law" than many republics, but ultimately, they believe that the authority stems from the people and that the government serves the people rather than the other way around. Fortunately many republics are also democracies. France, Germany, and, as many people would really, really like to believe, the United States of America. The fact that so many Americans don't really care about democracy, undermine its legitimacy with misleading arguments, and support an electoral system that denies minority representation while letting the loser of the popular vote win the presidency, is really sad.
  - geggam 7y ago
    You do realize the ability of the representative to override the majority vote in a republic was by design as the founders (read Madison's Federalist No. 10) did not trust the general public to make good choices (democracy). You can conflate the ideas all you want. Does not change the fact the US is a republic. Your example proved it.

mcv 7y ago

If you mean the fact that the US doesn't have proportional voting and a president can be elected on a minority of the popular vote, then I'm afraid those seem to be exactly what's causing the problem here. It magnifies the impact of the group that wants this theocratic ethnostate, and enabled the election of Donald, who would not have been elected otherwise.