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I'd guess rice & lentils might be cheaper (especially since they be can bought in bulk & stored), more nutritious, more readily available world wide and more su

by latch 7y ago

I'd guess rice & lentils might be cheaper (especially since they be can bought in bulk & stored), more nutritious, more readily available world wide and more sustainable.

raverbashing 7y ago
Or beans. Though they take a long time to cook
- fjp 7y ago
  Not black beans! When I'm extra lazy I also like Trader Joe's pre-spiced cans of black beans too.
- throw0101a 7y ago
  Pressure cooker, either stove top or electric (a la Instant Pot). * https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-pressure-cooker/ https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-pressure-cooker/ * https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-electric-pressure-cooker/ https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-electric-pressure-coo... * https://www.amazon.com/Pressure-Cooker-Perfection-Foolproof-Recipes/dp/1936493411 https://www.amazon.com/Pressure-Cooker-Perfection-Foolproof-...
- GordonS 7y ago
  Not if you buy tinned beans. They'll never be as cheap as dried beans of course, but they are still very cheap.
cco 7y ago
"more nutritious", what do you mean by this? Rice is fairly devoid of nutrients relative to beef liver or any other meats mentioned.
- ip26 7y ago
  Rice paired with a pulse, together, are usually considered to be pretty balanced & healthy. Rice has the calories, the pulse has most everything else.
  - ianai 7y ago
    I love pairing my legumes with greens. Cabbage would be good too. Potatoes tend to agree more with my physiology than rice, too. The more “intact” your rice is the better.
  - toephu2 7y ago
    What's a pulse? Is it a type of animal? Google said: a rhythmical throbbing of the arteries as blood is propelled through them, typically as felt in the wrists or neck. edit: No need for the downvotes guys, I was genuinely curious. I bet not everyone knows pulses are legumes. Also OP used "pulse" in the singular, which most people (I think?) understand as the definition I pasted from Google.
    - ianai 7y ago
      Wow...pulses are legumes which quickly go from seed to plant. They’re also good for the soil by nitrogen fixing, Iirc. Lentils are a good example.
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mft_ 7y ago
Lentils/other pulses/chickpeas are all healthy and nutritious.
- QuantumAphid 7y ago
  Not even in the same league of nutrient density as the foods I listed. I like them for variety more than for nutrient density.
QuantumAphid 7y ago
Rice, lentils, beans, all are much less nutrient dense than most animal foods. It's important to account for the fact that plant foods often come with antinutrients (lectins, phytates, oxalates) which block absorption of vitamins. Most plant sources also supply only incomplete amino acid profiles. Also, plant foods often have their vitamins amounts listed in the form of precursors and not the bio-available kind that your body can utilize without a conversion process. So, iron in spinach? It's not heme-iron, so it's not so great when you consider the above along with a high oxalate payload. Vitamin A in carrots? It in carotinoids such as beta-carotine rather than retinol which is the format your body uses. Your body prefers bioavailable forms of vitamins and nutrients, rather than spending energy converting to usable formats. This is why animal foods are so hard to beat for nutrient density. E.g., herbivore animals graze on plants, converting the nutrients into animal-appropriate formats and fuller-spectrum proteins.
- sorenjan 7y ago
  You still need fiber to feel satiated and have a healthy GI tract. Oats, salad, and other vegetables are good options.
  - QuantumAphid 7y ago
    Everybody is different. Some people tolerate fiber well. Others have gut issues (e.g. diversticulitis, colitis) or overdo it and end up with digestive problems. From what I've read, the fiber guidelines are basically made-up and not based on any formal nutritional controlled studies. When you think about it, fiber is literally undigestible plant material. It seems a bit strange for your health/body to depend on consumption of something which cannot be digested.
    - sorenjan 7y ago
      Nothing strange about hunter gatherers evolve eating a lot of fiber. Think about the other extreme, what if you took in all your energy and nutrients through fluids. How well would your bowels work with nothing in them but liquids? I know my bowel movements are much easier after I've eaten some salad than after a low fiber meal. There's plenty of articles about fiber, here's just a short list I just found. https://www.pharmacytimes.com/news/how-fiber-helps-prevent-colon-cancer https://www.pharmacytimes.com/news/how-fiber-helps-prevent-c... https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/Dietary_fiber_and_colon_cancer_The_pendulum_swings_again https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/Dietary_fi... https://www.bmj.com/content/343/bmj.d6617 https://www.bmj.com/content/343/bmj.d6617 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4588743/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4588743/

by latch 7y ago

I'd guess rice & lentils might be cheaper (especially since they be can bought in bulk & stored), more nutritious, more readily available world wide and more sustainable.

raverbashing 7y ago

Or beans. Though they take a long time to cook

fjp 7y ago
Not black beans! When I'm extra lazy I also like Trader Joe's pre-spiced cans of black beans too.
throw0101a 7y ago
Pressure cooker, either stove top or electric (a la Instant Pot). * https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-pressure-cooker/ https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-pressure-cooker/ * https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-electric-pressure-cooker/ https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-electric-pressure-coo... * https://www.amazon.com/Pressure-Cooker-Perfection-Foolproof-Recipes/dp/1936493411 https://www.amazon.com/Pressure-Cooker-Perfection-Foolproof-...
GordonS 7y ago
Not if you buy tinned beans. They'll never be as cheap as dried beans of course, but they are still very cheap.

cco 7y ago

"more nutritious", what do you mean by this? Rice is fairly devoid of nutrients relative to beef liver or any other meats mentioned.

ip26 7y ago
Rice paired with a pulse, together, are usually considered to be pretty balanced & healthy. Rice has the calories, the pulse has most everything else.
- ianai 7y ago
  I love pairing my legumes with greens. Cabbage would be good too. Potatoes tend to agree more with my physiology than rice, too. The more “intact” your rice is the better.
- toephu2 7y ago
  What's a pulse? Is it a type of animal? Google said: a rhythmical throbbing of the arteries as blood is propelled through them, typically as felt in the wrists or neck. edit: No need for the downvotes guys, I was genuinely curious. I bet not everyone knows pulses are legumes. Also OP used "pulse" in the singular, which most people (I think?) understand as the definition I pasted from Google.
  - ianai 7y ago
    Wow...pulses are legumes which quickly go from seed to plant. They’re also good for the soil by nitrogen fixing, Iirc. Lentils are a good example.
  - deleted 7y ago
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mft_ 7y ago

Lentils/other pulses/chickpeas are all healthy and nutritious.

QuantumAphid 7y ago
Not even in the same league of nutrient density as the foods I listed. I like them for variety more than for nutrient density.

QuantumAphid 7y ago

Rice, lentils, beans, all are much less nutrient dense than most animal foods. It's important to account for the fact that plant foods often come with antinutrients (lectins, phytates, oxalates) which block absorption of vitamins. Most plant sources also supply only incomplete amino acid profiles. Also, plant foods often have their vitamins amounts listed in the form of precursors and not the bio-available kind that your body can utilize without a conversion process. So, iron in spinach? It's not heme-iron, so it's not so great when you consider the above along with a high oxalate payload. Vitamin A in carrots? It in carotinoids such as beta-carotine rather than retinol which is the format your body uses. Your body prefers bioavailable forms of vitamins and nutrients, rather than spending energy converting to usable formats. This is why animal foods are so hard to beat for nutrient density. E.g., herbivore animals graze on plants, converting the nutrients into animal-appropriate formats and fuller-spectrum proteins.

sorenjan 7y ago
You still need fiber to feel satiated and have a healthy GI tract. Oats, salad, and other vegetables are good options.
- QuantumAphid 7y ago
  Everybody is different. Some people tolerate fiber well. Others have gut issues (e.g. diversticulitis, colitis) or overdo it and end up with digestive problems. From what I've read, the fiber guidelines are basically made-up and not based on any formal nutritional controlled studies. When you think about it, fiber is literally undigestible plant material. It seems a bit strange for your health/body to depend on consumption of something which cannot be digested.
  - sorenjan 7y ago
    Nothing strange about hunter gatherers evolve eating a lot of fiber. Think about the other extreme, what if you took in all your energy and nutrients through fluids. How well would your bowels work with nothing in them but liquids? I know my bowel movements are much easier after I've eaten some salad than after a low fiber meal. There's plenty of articles about fiber, here's just a short list I just found. https://www.pharmacytimes.com/news/how-fiber-helps-prevent-colon-cancer https://www.pharmacytimes.com/news/how-fiber-helps-prevent-c... https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/Dietary_fiber_and_colon_cancer_The_pendulum_swings_again https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/Dietary_fi... https://www.bmj.com/content/343/bmj.d6617 https://www.bmj.com/content/343/bmj.d6617 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4588743/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4588743/