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Do you want such line on fruit juices too? And where does this all end? We all know there is sugar in soda (and fruitjuices)?

riffraff 7y ago
yes please. I have to argue with people constantly that think fruit juice is "healthy".
- specialist 7y ago
  Yea, I was surprised to learn this. I love orange juice like a pirate loves rum. Alas, it's better to eat fruit and avoid juices. Fruit has sucrose. Sucrose splits into glucose and fructose. Calories and glycemic index aside: glucose good, fructose bad. The fiber in fruit helps block the metabolism of fructose, protecting the liver. Dr Lustig's video was my intro to this stuff. It's hard to watch, but I haven't read anything yet that contradicts any of it. Sugar: The Bitter Truth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM Update: Downvoted for science. Yay! I need something to kick my HN addiction. Stop doing this to myself.
  - EForEndeavour 7y ago
    Seconding Lustig's work and his "Bitter Truth" lecture. He comes off as a bit argumentative, even conspiratorial in his delivery, but presents solid, peer-reviewed research.
  - josefresco 7y ago
    Dude I empathize. "Diet advice" invites almost as insane a reaction as "political debate" online. Keep sharing science and ignore the haters, and "hole pokers", the "tech diet nerds" and of course, the astroturfers.
  - throwaway55554 7y ago
    > I love orange juice like a pirate loves rum. Only with champagne.
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ebg13 7y ago
Yes? Fruit juice is basically candy. It's 100% bad for you, but dressed up like it's good for you,.
- applecrazy 7y ago
  What about smoothies? Most homemade smoothies retain the fiber by blending the fruit whole. Are those just as good as eating the fruits themselves? Genuine question, trying to cut out non-fruit based sugars.
  - bunderbunder 7y ago
    The information I've seen would seem to suggest that smoothies are somewhere in between fruit juice and whole foods. Yes, you do start with whole fruit. But then you stick it into a piece of food processing equipment and process the bajeezus out of it. That seems to have an effect on how your body digests it. One of the noteworthy differences is that it makes it a lot easier for your digestive system to extract the calories from it. So your body's going to see it as a more sugary food than if you hadn't used a machine to pre-digest your food a bit before eating it. I've also heard tell that liquids just aren't as filling as solids. Meaning that liquefying your food before eating it makes it easier to over-consume.
    - lixtra 7y ago
      If you’re chewing the fruit as throughly as advised I doubt your stomach sees much difference between a smoothy and a fruit. Except that enzymes from salvia already started digestion.
      - ebg13 7y ago
        > as throughly as advised Advised by whom? You could always chew less. > I doubt Why bother doubting or not doubting? People actually study this.
      - bunderbunder 7y ago
        One of the studies that struck me (don't have it at hand) involved taking exactly the same diet and feeding it whole to one group and pureed to the other. The pureed food group gained weight and the control group didn't. I've no idea how replicable that result is, but I'd still take that over a hypothesis that hasn't been tested at all.
thatfrenchguy 7y ago
But we don’t know how much.
01dm4n 7y ago
Slippery slope fallacy is not the best justification for inaction I mean if the context was “to deal with a crime we just shoot the accused” I’d get your point. Not really seeing “put technical details of product on package in a way that is quick and easy to digest” as such a big deal. So what if it costs Coke sales? Since when do I owe them fealty?
- UnFleshedOne 7y ago
  “put technical details of product on package in a way that is quick and easy to digest” Ah, but from the other comments on fruit juices here we see that "easy to digest" is bad for you, so Coke cares about your brain health! :)
ryanmcbride 7y ago
absolutely
throwaway55554 7y ago
Everything that has added sugar, let's put a graphic or line or whatever, showing people how much.
Kluny 7y ago
Yes. I only recently realized that fruit juice is just as sugary as soda with hardly any benefit.

riffraff 7y ago

yes please. I have to argue with people constantly that think fruit juice is "healthy".

specialist 7y ago
Yea, I was surprised to learn this. I love orange juice like a pirate loves rum. Alas, it's better to eat fruit and avoid juices. Fruit has sucrose. Sucrose splits into glucose and fructose. Calories and glycemic index aside: glucose good, fructose bad. The fiber in fruit helps block the metabolism of fructose, protecting the liver. Dr Lustig's video was my intro to this stuff. It's hard to watch, but I haven't read anything yet that contradicts any of it. Sugar: The Bitter Truth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM Update: Downvoted for science. Yay! I need something to kick my HN addiction. Stop doing this to myself.
- EForEndeavour 7y ago
  Seconding Lustig's work and his "Bitter Truth" lecture. He comes off as a bit argumentative, even conspiratorial in his delivery, but presents solid, peer-reviewed research.
- josefresco 7y ago
  Dude I empathize. "Diet advice" invites almost as insane a reaction as "political debate" online. Keep sharing science and ignore the haters, and "hole pokers", the "tech diet nerds" and of course, the astroturfers.
- throwaway55554 7y ago
  > I love orange juice like a pirate loves rum. Only with champagne.

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ebg13 7y ago

Yes? Fruit juice is basically candy. It's 100% bad for you, but dressed up like it's good for you,.

applecrazy 7y ago
What about smoothies? Most homemade smoothies retain the fiber by blending the fruit whole. Are those just as good as eating the fruits themselves? Genuine question, trying to cut out non-fruit based sugars.
- bunderbunder 7y ago
  The information I've seen would seem to suggest that smoothies are somewhere in between fruit juice and whole foods. Yes, you do start with whole fruit. But then you stick it into a piece of food processing equipment and process the bajeezus out of it. That seems to have an effect on how your body digests it. One of the noteworthy differences is that it makes it a lot easier for your digestive system to extract the calories from it. So your body's going to see it as a more sugary food than if you hadn't used a machine to pre-digest your food a bit before eating it. I've also heard tell that liquids just aren't as filling as solids. Meaning that liquefying your food before eating it makes it easier to over-consume.
  - lixtra 7y ago
    If you’re chewing the fruit as throughly as advised I doubt your stomach sees much difference between a smoothy and a fruit. Except that enzymes from salvia already started digestion.
    - ebg13 7y ago
      > as throughly as advised Advised by whom? You could always chew less. > I doubt Why bother doubting or not doubting? People actually study this.
    - bunderbunder 7y ago
      One of the studies that struck me (don't have it at hand) involved taking exactly the same diet and feeding it whole to one group and pureed to the other. The pureed food group gained weight and the control group didn't. I've no idea how replicable that result is, but I'd still take that over a hypothesis that hasn't been tested at all.

thatfrenchguy 7y ago

But we don’t know how much.

01dm4n 7y ago

Slippery slope fallacy is not the best justification for inaction I mean if the context was “to deal with a crime we just shoot the accused” I’d get your point. Not really seeing “put technical details of product on package in a way that is quick and easy to digest” as such a big deal. So what if it costs Coke sales? Since when do I owe them fealty?

UnFleshedOne 7y ago
“put technical details of product on package in a way that is quick and easy to digest” Ah, but from the other comments on fruit juices here we see that "easy to digest" is bad for you, so Coke cares about your brain health! :)

ryanmcbride 7y ago

absolutely

throwaway55554 7y ago

Everything that has added sugar, let's put a graphic or line or whatever, showing people how much.

Kluny 7y ago

Yes. I only recently realized that fruit juice is just as sugary as soda with hardly any benefit.