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It's weird, my Firefox seems to use the vaapi (but my iGPU is only able to hw-decode h264 and VP8 and VP9.Too old for AV1.) I have a not so powerful laptop so

by enz 7y ago

It's weird, my Firefox seems to use the vaapi (but my iGPU is only able to hw-decode h264 and VP8 and VP9.Too old for AV1.) I have a not so powerful laptop so I think the HW decoding capability of the iGPU is actually used, otherwise I couldn't play 1080p videos at 60 FPS (h264 and VP9). I use the static Firefox from Mozilla. Not distro repo's one.

Boulth 7y ago
> It's weird, my Firefox seems to use the vaapi Out of curiosity how do you check that? I'm asking because I'd like to check it on my end.
- enz 7y ago
  I am checking that with the "about:support" page. My iGPU and the Intel drivers are correctly recognized so I was assuming that HW decoding was enabled. But I can certainly be wrong, good platform detection does not necessarily mean that I use HW decoding. I just assumed it was the case.
i-rinat 7y ago
Nope. It's just software decoders from FFmpeg project that are heavily optimized. Also Firefox disables VP9 on slower machines, so websites serve H.264 instead.
- enz 7y ago
  At least on YouTube, I use VP9 (we can check that with the "advanced stats" showed when right-clicking on the video). My laptop is usually noisy when the CPU is in demand. I am a bit surprised because playing HD videos on YT does not make the fan too noisy (comparing to loading a website with a ton of JS,for example). So, I concluded that some HW decoding was in use, somehow. I can, of course, be wrong. There is no way that ffmpeg uses a HW decoding decoder under the hood? It may explain why it's so smooth. Besides, when I run VP9 video with MPV, it tells me that it is explicitly using HW decoding via vaapi. And MPV is based on ffmpeg libs for the playback, if I am not mistaken. Thanks for your light!
  - i-rinat 7y ago
    I've just checked Firefox 67.0 source code and found no evidence of hw-accelerated decoding. Firefox uses part of FFmpeg source code under the name "ffvpx", for VP9. There are some remainders of such decode-and-then-download-to-CPU-memory code there, but actual part interfacing with VA-API or any other hw-accelerated API is removed. Although it's possible to utilize hardware decoders with FFmpeg, frames need to be shown somehow. Downloading decoded frames back to CPU memory just to copy them back to GPU to display is not a good idea. Generally graphics adapters expect a lot more data coming to them, not from them. It may be so slow, that it makes the whole idea infeasible. To make hardware decoding actually useful, one needs to figure out how to combine everything together on GPU side. It's harder to do it in Firefox than in a video player, since browsers have a complex rendering model. And now even run in multiple processes. > My laptop is usually noisy when the CPU is in demand. Not only software codecs are highly optimized, CPUs are also power-efficient. 1080p VP9 decode on my Skylake laptop doesn't produce enough heat to start the fan.

by enz 7y ago

Boulth 7y ago

> It's weird, my Firefox seems to use the vaapi Out of curiosity how do you check that? I'm asking because I'd like to check it on my end.

enz 7y ago
I am checking that with the "about:support" page. My iGPU and the Intel drivers are correctly recognized so I was assuming that HW decoding was enabled. But I can certainly be wrong, good platform detection does not necessarily mean that I use HW decoding. I just assumed it was the case.

i-rinat 7y ago

Nope. It's just software decoders from FFmpeg project that are heavily optimized. Also Firefox disables VP9 on slower machines, so websites serve H.264 instead.

enz 7y ago
At least on YouTube, I use VP9 (we can check that with the "advanced stats" showed when right-clicking on the video). My laptop is usually noisy when the CPU is in demand. I am a bit surprised because playing HD videos on YT does not make the fan too noisy (comparing to loading a website with a ton of JS,for example). So, I concluded that some HW decoding was in use, somehow. I can, of course, be wrong. There is no way that ffmpeg uses a HW decoding decoder under the hood? It may explain why it's so smooth. Besides, when I run VP9 video with MPV, it tells me that it is explicitly using HW decoding via vaapi. And MPV is based on ffmpeg libs for the playback, if I am not mistaken. Thanks for your light!
- i-rinat 7y ago
  I've just checked Firefox 67.0 source code and found no evidence of hw-accelerated decoding. Firefox uses part of FFmpeg source code under the name "ffvpx", for VP9. There are some remainders of such decode-and-then-download-to-CPU-memory code there, but actual part interfacing with VA-API or any other hw-accelerated API is removed. Although it's possible to utilize hardware decoders with FFmpeg, frames need to be shown somehow. Downloading decoded frames back to CPU memory just to copy them back to GPU to display is not a good idea. Generally graphics adapters expect a lot more data coming to them, not from them. It may be so slow, that it makes the whole idea infeasible. To make hardware decoding actually useful, one needs to figure out how to combine everything together on GPU side. It's harder to do it in Firefox than in a video player, since browsers have a complex rendering model. And now even run in multiple processes. > My laptop is usually noisy when the CPU is in demand. Not only software codecs are highly optimized, CPUs are also power-efficient. 1080p VP9 decode on my Skylake laptop doesn't produce enough heat to start the fan.