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I find it particularily morbid that both countries that seemingly fight over the tech leadership on thsi planet both have the death penalty. Makes it hard to m

I find it particularily morbid that both countries that seemingly fight over the tech leadership on thsi planet both have the death penalty. Makes it hard to make out the moral winner watching from afar :-( Also, given all the bad spying rep the US has, I am really not sure what is better: a US phone or a China phone... Both seem a very good way to get fucked over.

christkv 7y ago
Yeah definitively, the US is no angel that's for sure but its still aligned with democratic values (at least for now).
- mlang23 7y ago
  Democratic values? As in, the one who receives the most votes will win the election?
  - christkv 7y ago
    Few western countries have a majority votes takes all system, that does not necessarily make them undemocratic. Both Spain and Norway that I know we'll have proportional systems where the number of votes are not necessarily aligned with the number of seats in parliament. A vote in one region might be worth more than another. Proportional systems are designed from what I understand to balance the power between the populous cities and the country side.
    - mlang23 7y ago
      Which I consider outright discrimination. Why exactly would the vote of one individual be less or more worth then a vote from another individual?
      - christkv 7y ago
        I don't make a judgment call towards if one is better than the other but I do firmly believe that 50% + 1 vote is not a mandate. I would really like to see a proper 2/3 majority before you let someone impose their will on the other group. Proportional representation has one interesting side effect it seems. You get more political parties in parliament leaving lunatic fringe groups their own parties and allowing the centre mostly to rule.
        ghaff 7y ago
        >You get more political parties in parliament leaving lunatic fringe groups their own parties and allowing the centre mostly to rule. Or you have to put together a coalition to rule which may include cozying up to one or more "lunatic fringe groups" out of all proportion to how many seats they have.
        flo123456 7y ago
        Germany has had coalition governments almost all the time since 1949, and there are very few „lunatic fringe groups“ in parliament. Let alone part of the government.
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christkv 7y ago

Yeah definitively, the US is no angel that's for sure but its still aligned with democratic values (at least for now).

mlang23 7y ago
Democratic values? As in, the one who receives the most votes will win the election?
- christkv 7y ago
  Few western countries have a majority votes takes all system, that does not necessarily make them undemocratic. Both Spain and Norway that I know we'll have proportional systems where the number of votes are not necessarily aligned with the number of seats in parliament. A vote in one region might be worth more than another. Proportional systems are designed from what I understand to balance the power between the populous cities and the country side.
  - mlang23 7y ago
    Which I consider outright discrimination. Why exactly would the vote of one individual be less or more worth then a vote from another individual?
    - christkv 7y ago
      I don't make a judgment call towards if one is better than the other but I do firmly believe that 50% + 1 vote is not a mandate. I would really like to see a proper 2/3 majority before you let someone impose their will on the other group. Proportional representation has one interesting side effect it seems. You get more political parties in parliament leaving lunatic fringe groups their own parties and allowing the centre mostly to rule.
      - ghaff 7y ago
        >You get more political parties in parliament leaving lunatic fringe groups their own parties and allowing the centre mostly to rule. Or you have to put together a coalition to rule which may include cozying up to one or more "lunatic fringe groups" out of all proportion to how many seats they have.
        flo123456 7y ago
        Germany has had coalition governments almost all the time since 1949, and there are very few „lunatic fringe groups“ in parliament. Let alone part of the government.

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