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If you were talking 200-300/day revenue would you hire lawyers? It's in that zone where you have to seriously consider

supergirl 7y ago
maybe not, maybe yes. $200 for 1 hour session where the lawyer explains me the options isn't too far fetched. that is the world we live in. you need money to sue. what I wouldn't do is post on reddit and try to start a pitchfork mob by telling only part of the story and screaming "China bad".
- SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
  > $200 for 1 hour session where the lawyer explains me the options Is that all it costs for a lawyer who specializes in Chinese copyright law in America?
  - supergirl 7y ago
    He doesn't need a specialist lawyer from the start. He might need one if he actually sues. But just for advice you can get some general trademark lawyer. It's not even clear what is the best place to fight this. I actually think it's not in China but in the US. They already have a trademark in the US and Apple is a US company. Why did they already assume they need to fight this in China and conclude based on "comments" and "research" that it's a lost cause. It's Apple that deleted their game not China.
    - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
      Wait, so the advice is to start a legal fight with Apple on the cheap?
      - em-bee 7y ago
        the advice is to talk to a lawyer and find out what to do, if they should sue, and if so, if this is a case they can win. then based on that response they can decide what steps to take next. if the lawyer recommends suing apple in the US based on their US trademark and that they have a good chance of winning then the next question is if they can afford to get started. i can also imagine that a stern letter from a lawyer may let apple realize that they made a mistake in removing the game outside of china.
- piker 7y ago
  There isn't a lawyer in the world that can reliably answer that question in 1 hour that would only charge $200 for that hour.
  - jbduler 7y ago
    A good IP / trademark lawyer will cost $1,000/hr BUT no lawyer will meet you for an hour. They don't have any answer, need to do some research that is why they will ask for a $50K retainer. And at the end you will be $50K poorer. Sure they will send a "scary letter" to the offending party, blabla, but don't fall in that trap. You will get nothing.
- chrshawkes 7y ago
  I had a company rip off my work last year (Udemy) and sell it to 12,000 students and I didn't see a dime of the 2.4 million they supposedly sold it full price for. Even though I know they didn't make that type of money, I had a legitimate claim for damages. Even still, attorneys will not talk to you for free. I was the number one story on Reddit when this happened and still, attorneys cost money and it's much easier to get what you want via the pitchfork mob to be honest, that's how my viewers took it to Udemy and they immediately took action. In this case, nobody in the industrialized world should be okay with the way China deals with trademarks.
  - supergirl 7y ago
    Yes you can't battle it out with a gov or a big company that steals your work. That is the real problem. There should be a pitchfork mob to fix that. What also sucks is someone starting a fake pitchfork mob on reddit and ruining your business/youtube channel or getting you fired. Not saying this is the case now, but if they are successful then it just encourages more to try it and some will just exploit it. P.S. I find it weird that you personally got ripped off by Udemy (an american company, right?) and can't fight back (other than on reddit), yet now you blame the entire China for this trademark dispute. Did you also blame the entire US and campaigned for the "industrialized world" to blacklist the US?
    - chrshawkes 7y ago
      The United States legal system is a mess and companies such as Udemy are protected by the DMCA unless you can really prove systemic copyright violation (by design as in Megaupload) ect...

maybe not, maybe yes. $200 for 1 hour session where the lawyer explains me the options isn't too far fetched. that is the world we live in. you need money to sue. what I wouldn't do is post on reddit and try to start a pitchfork mob by telling only part of the story and screaming "China bad".

SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
> $200 for 1 hour session where the lawyer explains me the options Is that all it costs for a lawyer who specializes in Chinese copyright law in America?
- supergirl 7y ago
  He doesn't need a specialist lawyer from the start. He might need one if he actually sues. But just for advice you can get some general trademark lawyer. It's not even clear what is the best place to fight this. I actually think it's not in China but in the US. They already have a trademark in the US and Apple is a US company. Why did they already assume they need to fight this in China and conclude based on "comments" and "research" that it's a lost cause. It's Apple that deleted their game not China.
  - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
    Wait, so the advice is to start a legal fight with Apple on the cheap?
    - em-bee 7y ago
      the advice is to talk to a lawyer and find out what to do, if they should sue, and if so, if this is a case they can win. then based on that response they can decide what steps to take next. if the lawyer recommends suing apple in the US based on their US trademark and that they have a good chance of winning then the next question is if they can afford to get started. i can also imagine that a stern letter from a lawyer may let apple realize that they made a mistake in removing the game outside of china.
piker 7y ago
There isn't a lawyer in the world that can reliably answer that question in 1 hour that would only charge $200 for that hour.
- jbduler 7y ago
  A good IP / trademark lawyer will cost $1,000/hr BUT no lawyer will meet you for an hour. They don't have any answer, need to do some research that is why they will ask for a $50K retainer. And at the end you will be $50K poorer. Sure they will send a "scary letter" to the offending party, blabla, but don't fall in that trap. You will get nothing.
chrshawkes 7y ago
I had a company rip off my work last year (Udemy) and sell it to 12,000 students and I didn't see a dime of the 2.4 million they supposedly sold it full price for. Even though I know they didn't make that type of money, I had a legitimate claim for damages. Even still, attorneys will not talk to you for free. I was the number one story on Reddit when this happened and still, attorneys cost money and it's much easier to get what you want via the pitchfork mob to be honest, that's how my viewers took it to Udemy and they immediately took action. In this case, nobody in the industrialized world should be okay with the way China deals with trademarks.
- supergirl 7y ago
  Yes you can't battle it out with a gov or a big company that steals your work. That is the real problem. There should be a pitchfork mob to fix that. What also sucks is someone starting a fake pitchfork mob on reddit and ruining your business/youtube channel or getting you fired. Not saying this is the case now, but if they are successful then it just encourages more to try it and some will just exploit it. P.S. I find it weird that you personally got ripped off by Udemy (an american company, right?) and can't fight back (other than on reddit), yet now you blame the entire China for this trademark dispute. Did you also blame the entire US and campaigned for the "industrialized world" to blacklist the US?
  - chrshawkes 7y ago
    The United States legal system is a mess and companies such as Udemy are protected by the DMCA unless you can really prove systemic copyright violation (by design as in Megaupload) ect...