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In three years they developed the technology needed, more likely just ripped off the tech from Siemens on the Shanghai line.
by christkv 7y ago
In three years they developed the technology needed, more likely just ripped off the tech from Siemens on the Shanghai line.
- simion314 7y agoYour sentiment is popular this days with the big propaganda we see but is there any hint that what you say is true, maybe they stole it from other company or maybe in a country with such a large population you will have a large number of smart people.
- njepa 7y agoAlso it doesn't really matter since the implementation is close to 20 years old, which means the patents should have expired anyway.
- simion314 7y agoPatents are such a pain, I know someone that works in designing things for cars, and they need to actively avoid patents, things that are obvious and were patented you have to do not obvious things so you don't trip on them.
- christkv 7y agoOf course it’s propaganda the shocking thing is not that they are pushing for a China is bad story. It’s that they pretended it was not happening for the last decades eroding industries and blue collar jobs putting us in today’s situation where a totalitarian state governs most electronics manufacturing of the world including most of the supply chain.
- mlang23 7y agoI find it particularily morbid that both countries that seemingly fight over the tech leadership on thsi planet both have the death penalty. Makes it hard to make out the moral winner watching from afar :-( Also, given all the bad spying rep the US has, I am really not sure what is better: a US phone or a China phone... Both seem a very good way to get fucked over.
- christkv 7y agoYeah definitively, the US is no angel that's for sure but its still aligned with democratic values (at least for now).
- mlang23 7y agoDemocratic values? As in, the one who receives the most votes will win the election?
- christkv 7y agoFew western countries have a majority votes takes all system, that does not necessarily make them undemocratic. Both Spain and Norway that I know we'll have proportional systems where the number of votes are not necessarily aligned with the number of seats in parliament. A vote in one region might be worth more than another. Proportional systems are designed from what I understand to balance the power between the populous cities and the country side.
- mlang23 7y agoWhich I consider outright discrimination. Why exactly would the vote of one individual be less or more worth then a vote from another individual?
- christkv 7y agoI don't make a judgment call towards if one is better than the other but I do firmly believe that 50% + 1 vote is not a mandate. I would really like to see a proper 2/3 majority before you let someone impose their will on the other group. Proportional representation has one interesting side effect it seems. You get more political parties in parliament leaving lunatic fringe groups their own parties and allowing the centre mostly to rule.
- ghaff 7y ago
- frostburg 7y agoThere are lawsuits involving the issue, as another comment reports. Jumping to ''big propaganda'' is unwarranted.
- simion314 7y agoThanks I did not know about that, would be good if this would have been added into the initial comment.
- yorwba 7y agoThe lawsuit in the other comment doesn't involve Siemens though, hence "maybe they stole it from other company" might be more accurate.
- paganel 7y agoThe train the OP mentions has a maximum speed of 420 kmh, I'd say the Chinese did a hell of a job to build this train which supposedely can reach 600 kmh, there's no train in Europe that can reach that, not even the French TGV. As someone else mentioned bellow only the Japanese are close to building a similar train. Which is to say that this is a hell of an achievement by the Chinese.
- ForHackernews 7y agoImagine getting accused of 'propaganda' for being sceptical of an article published by an official press organ of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China.
- simion314 7y agoI was not accusing the OP but the entire media, for months we have China is bad stories on the first page daily, before that was all about the Saudi Arabia and before that there was Russia (I do not remember what was before that). I prefer to ask for the actual information, someone said there is a lawsuit but did not link anything so far, this is what I wanted, less speculation and a bit more facts.
- christkv 7y agoI don’t understand the apologists either. This is not a lovely democratic state it’s probably histories most successful authoritarian gangster state in modern history. A future with an ascendant China wielding global military power is not going to be nice for anyone.
- simion314 7y agoAnd to fix that let's do what ? a) spy on our citizens, on our alleys, use demagogy, propaganda and anti-science b) do what we want others to do and we say we do c) find a reason and just attack them(or similar shit), put our preferred government
- christkv 7y agoUphold our liberal western values and insist on the rule by law and compliance with treaties, leveraging all the soft power available to ensure it. In China, there is no freedom of speech or expression (only what's tolerated by the state). Laws only exist for convenience and are ignored when the state finds it inconvenient or if they decide to punish and individual or group of indidviduals. History should have thought us a lesson that appeasement does not work with authoritarian regimes as it will be interpreted as a sign of weakness.
- anoncake 7y ago> with such a large population you will have a large number of smart people. Nine mothers don't make a baby in a month.
- neya 7y agoRelevant, although not exactly the same tech. I believe they lost the subsequent lawsuits even, because, China doesn't really care about IP theft: http://fortune.com/2013/04/15/did-china-steal-japans-high-speed-train/ http://fortune.com/2013/04/15/did-china-steal-japans-high-sp...
- xvf22 7y agoBreakthroughs sure are easier when you can just help yourself to most of the answers but there does seem to be at least some homegrown contributions as well.
- termhidor 7y agoI will not bring up any names here. But I know there is a project between CRRC, Siemens and a university in Germany to transfer the knowledge from Siemens to China and update e.g. the controller algorithms Edit: so all the rumors about stealing are not true. The knowledge is handed over
- sct202 7y agoIt looks like the German maglev project shut down a few years ago because of lack of interest. I wouldn't be surprised if they were selling off whatever they had.
- LargoLasskhyfv 7y agoWhy so mysterious? https://www.uni-stuttgart.de/en/university/news/showcase/magnetschwebebahn/index.html https://www.uni-stuttgart.de/en/university/news/showcase/mag...
- melling 7y agoThe maglev they built 17 years ago for a billion dollars? China has been using maglevs for a long time. The low-medium maglevs seem quite useful too: https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/china-driverless-maglev-trains/index.html https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/china-driverless-maglev-t... Someday they’ll probably replace their 19,000 miles (soon 25,000) of high-speed rail with maglevs. In the United States, people couldn’t be convinced to build high-speed rail and now the land is expensive.
- anoncake 7y ago> Someday they’ll probably replace their 19,000 miles (soon 25,000) of high-speed rail with maglevs. Not necessarily and definitely not soon. Maglev isn't strictly better (unless it's also suitable for cargo trains or China doesn't use their high-speed rail for cargo at all -- not even at night). Replacing high-speed rail by maglev means that you're basically replacing high-speed rail with somewhat higher-speed rail at the cost of (almost[1]) completely new infrastructure. And during the transition, you basically have two independent railway networks. It's like having two railway gauges in a country, but even worse. Every piece of rolling stock can only run on one network. That's inflexible, increasing costs and/or reducing reliability. It also necessitates additional transfers. [1] You can reuse station and other buildings, maybe platforms too. I can't think of anything else.
- baybal2 7y agoHSR on the coast are dedicated passenger lines
- melling 7y agoReplacing 225 mph trains with 400 mph maglevs should be worth it, especially on long routes like the 800 mile trip between Shanghai and Beijing. I didn’t say it would be easy or cheap. I’m sure there are lots of details to consider. China, however, has no problem doing large infrastructure projects.
- anoncake 7y ago
- _pmf_ 7y agoIsn't it time to lay off the "thieving slit eyes" narrative?
- dymk 7y agoAh yes, accuse those who want China to not steal technology as actually just being racist.
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