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It All Ends in Tears: UK PM Theresa May Resigns

31 points by Kaibeezy 7y ago

Kaibeezy 7y ago
She put party above country and made a right mess. Good riddance.
- mc32 7y ago
  Her party has been trying to get her out for a while. She’s been a lame duck. I’ll give her tenacity but it had to end. The negotiations are a disaster. Her own party is at odds with her. She should have stepped down last confidence vote.
  - TheOtherHobbes 7y ago
    And the country has been trying to get her party out - but there's no constitutional way to do so. So now we're going to have less than 100,000 tribal party extremists choosing the next Prime Minister for a country of 66 million people.
  - razakel 7y ago
    >Her party has been trying to get her out for a while. She’s been a lame duck. I’ll give her tenacity but it had to end. The negotiations are a disaster. Her own party is at odds with her. She should have stepped down last confidence vote. Nobody else is dumb enough to want to be left holding the bag, though.
    - zimpenfish 7y ago
      > Nobody else is dumb enough to want to be left holding the bag, though. I present to you one Boris Johnson.
      - DanBC 7y ago
        My favourite interview with Boris Johnson - a liar: https://twitter.com/eliistender10/status/1131868559259439104 https://twitter.com/eliistender10/status/1131868559259439104
        razakel 7y ago
        The photo at the top of this article says it all: https://www.politico.eu/article/a-very-british-betrayal-michael-gove-boris-johnson/ https://www.politico.eu/article/a-very-british-betrayal-mich... Those are not the faces of men who are happy they've won. Boris looks like he's at a bloody funeral!
      - tonyedgecombe 7y ago
        I wouldn’t be surprised if he engineers himself out of the contest in some way.
- cafard 7y ago
  And then what? I don't have the impression that the Tories have the next Pitt in the wings waiting to take over.
- dagw 7y ago
  She put party above country and made a right mess ??? She drove her party and her career into the ground pushing for a deal she (appeared to) believed was the best deal for country. I cannot see how any argument can be made that she put party above, well anything.
  - Jaruzel 7y ago
    Agreed. To her, following through on the result of the referendum was her paramount mission, however she had to deliver that without breaking the country. Which as we've seen results in so many compromises, that leaves no-one happy. Where she may have gone wrong, is leaving it way too late before involving the rest of parliament, however it can be argued, that as the leader of the party in power as voted in by the populous, she had no obligation to bring anything to the house for ratification.
  - whenchamenia 7y ago
    There was a clear set of expectations and 'red lines' set out early on by all parties that she seemed too willing, with a wry grin, to ignore. It looked like a belabored attempt to strongarm a deal nobody, except somehow May, wanted. I do not understand how it was allowed to go on so long, except by the spectre of hard-brexit, which seems more overblown each day compared to the current mess.
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TheOperator 7y ago
UK politics are a dysfunctional shitshow run by power-hungry leaders pushing policy they don't believe in putting their parties first.
- dan678 7y ago
  It's the same here in the US.
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    We’re working on it.
Jaruzel 7y ago
This wont change a thing. Regardless who her successor is, be it a brexiteer or a remainer, the country, and the house is split on what to do about Brexit. The next PM will try to bring yet another withdrawal agreement to the house, and for all the same reasons it'll get rejected. The only upside that may come out of this, is that we'll get another vote about leaving. Then one way or another everyone will be forced to agree about what to do next.
- vertline3 7y ago
  Well they had a vote already, so then with a do over precedent, do officials just keep asking for do overs until they get the desired results? It's messy.
  - mrguyorama 7y ago
    If the "people" do not "accept" the result of the previous vote, but are more accepting of the results of the new vote, there's nothing wrong with it. That's kind of how democracy works. It may feel wrong, but if the people's opinion change, then so can the result
    - vertline3 7y ago
      And if the second vote fails, do you have a third and a fourth vote? Until the outcome is desired?
      - miemo 7y ago
        if you agreed to get ice-cream next year, then become lactose-intolerant, do you refuse to reconsider?
        vertline3 7y ago
        Not the same issue really. Political stunts can cause damage. I call it a stunt because it was never meant to pass, but it did...

31 points by Kaibeezy 7y ago

Kaibeezy 7y ago

She put party above country and made a right mess. Good riddance.

mc32 7y ago
Her party has been trying to get her out for a while. She’s been a lame duck. I’ll give her tenacity but it had to end. The negotiations are a disaster. Her own party is at odds with her. She should have stepped down last confidence vote.
- TheOtherHobbes 7y ago
  And the country has been trying to get her party out - but there's no constitutional way to do so. So now we're going to have less than 100,000 tribal party extremists choosing the next Prime Minister for a country of 66 million people.
- razakel 7y ago
  >Her party has been trying to get her out for a while. She’s been a lame duck. I’ll give her tenacity but it had to end. The negotiations are a disaster. Her own party is at odds with her. She should have stepped down last confidence vote. Nobody else is dumb enough to want to be left holding the bag, though.
  - zimpenfish 7y ago
    > Nobody else is dumb enough to want to be left holding the bag, though. I present to you one Boris Johnson.
    - DanBC 7y ago
      My favourite interview with Boris Johnson - a liar: https://twitter.com/eliistender10/status/1131868559259439104 https://twitter.com/eliistender10/status/1131868559259439104
      - razakel 7y ago
        The photo at the top of this article says it all: https://www.politico.eu/article/a-very-british-betrayal-michael-gove-boris-johnson/ https://www.politico.eu/article/a-very-british-betrayal-mich... Those are not the faces of men who are happy they've won. Boris looks like he's at a bloody funeral!
    - tonyedgecombe 7y ago
      I wouldn’t be surprised if he engineers himself out of the contest in some way.
cafard 7y ago
And then what? I don't have the impression that the Tories have the next Pitt in the wings waiting to take over.
dagw 7y ago
She put party above country and made a right mess ??? She drove her party and her career into the ground pushing for a deal she (appeared to) believed was the best deal for country. I cannot see how any argument can be made that she put party above, well anything.
- Jaruzel 7y ago
  Agreed. To her, following through on the result of the referendum was her paramount mission, however she had to deliver that without breaking the country. Which as we've seen results in so many compromises, that leaves no-one happy. Where she may have gone wrong, is leaving it way too late before involving the rest of parliament, however it can be argued, that as the leader of the party in power as voted in by the populous, she had no obligation to bring anything to the house for ratification.
- whenchamenia 7y ago
  There was a clear set of expectations and 'red lines' set out early on by all parties that she seemed too willing, with a wry grin, to ignore. It looked like a belabored attempt to strongarm a deal nobody, except somehow May, wanted. I do not understand how it was allowed to go on so long, except by the spectre of hard-brexit, which seems more overblown each day compared to the current mess.

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TheOperator 7y ago

UK politics are a dysfunctional shitshow run by power-hungry leaders pushing policy they don't believe in putting their parties first.

dan678 7y ago
It's the same here in the US.
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  We’re working on it.

Jaruzel 7y ago

This wont change a thing. Regardless who her successor is, be it a brexiteer or a remainer, the country, and the house is split on what to do about Brexit. The next PM will try to bring yet another withdrawal agreement to the house, and for all the same reasons it'll get rejected. The only upside that may come out of this, is that we'll get another vote about leaving. Then one way or another everyone will be forced to agree about what to do next.

vertline3 7y ago
Well they had a vote already, so then with a do over precedent, do officials just keep asking for do overs until they get the desired results? It's messy.
- mrguyorama 7y ago
  If the "people" do not "accept" the result of the previous vote, but are more accepting of the results of the new vote, there's nothing wrong with it. That's kind of how democracy works. It may feel wrong, but if the people's opinion change, then so can the result
  - vertline3 7y ago
    And if the second vote fails, do you have a third and a fourth vote? Until the outcome is desired?
    - miemo 7y ago
      if you agreed to get ice-cream next year, then become lactose-intolerant, do you refuse to reconsider?
      - vertline3 7y ago
        Not the same issue really. Political stunts can cause damage. I call it a stunt because it was never meant to pass, but it did...