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I had some pills, supposedly E tabs, which gave me a quick up. Nice, but they weren't pure MDMA though it took me a fair while to realise that. I suspect, with

I had some pills, supposedly E tabs, which gave me a quick up. Nice, but they weren't pure MDMA though it took me a fair while to realise that. I suspect, without evidence, that they had methamphetamine mixed in (they started working in as little as 10 minutes). That benefits the dealer as they clearly "work" so no complaints from the buyers, and in a strange way may benefit the user as they won't start popping more because they think they have a dud, and real MDMA takes maybe 25 to 45 minutes to start, and the effects cam be subtle and overlooked particularly if you are new to them. It's a strange argument, and please note I use the word 'benefit' here in a very odd way - meth is neurotoxic, so it's really not the right word. And mixing random stuff in, also bad. Also, I once was given an E which was huge, I broke it into quarters and that may have saved me a trip to hospital or the morgue. It was vastly too strong. Also had some other tabs which I suspect were pure meth (I'm guessing but they are the only thing that I could find described that started working so fast, and caused bruxism) which I thankfully broke in half. They were overwhelmingly strong. So the advice to break up tabs and take the pieces slowly (and don't assume pill A has the same composition or strength as pill B apparently from the same batch) is very well founded. It has definitely saved me hospital trips and wasting NHS money. You have an entire night, don't rush!

golergka 7y ago
There's an excellent word in Russian, кайфожор, (I can't adequately translate to English - it's more or less "glutton of high"), which describes behaviour that stands behind most of drug user's health problems. Basically, it's a desire to get high, on anything, at any cost, which drives people to do the most stupid things with alcohol and drugs. Sadly, that's also the most paying client base, so you see a lot of drug producers catering to this audience specifically, always emphasising the strength of substances as a primary selling point. Among hundreds of shops on the marketplace, 99% talk about how strong their stuff is and how it can beat tolerance and almost none - about health.
- tempguy9999 7y ago
  Such behaviour is exactly what is causing me to doubt my long-held belief that all drugs should be legalised. I just don't know any more.
  - golergka 7y ago
    Of course they should. People should bear responsibility for their own behavior.
    - tempguy9999 7y ago
      That people Should does not mean they Will. Supposing for the sake of argument that ruining their lives and only their lives is acceptable, then yes, legalise and let people suffer the consequences of their decisions; they are adults. But there's often an inevitable spillover from that individual to others, say spouses and children, and bystanders (like pedestrians cos someone got pissed and knew they were safe to drive home - and alcohol is a drug, and very legal). Even non-drugs like food is blatantly abused - ever seen a morbidly fat person? If we legalise drugs then I am coming to the conclusion that we need to take a society-wide approach, which means at the very least banning all advertising and probably banning production by privately owned companies because their job is to make money which precisely leads to their wanting to increase the number of users and their amount used - look at alcohol advertising. I don't disagree or agree any more, I've simply lost my certainty. HTH. FYI this is short and incredibly informative: <https://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/05/the-case-for-prescription-heroin/> https://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/05/the-case-for-prescriptio...

golergka 7y ago

There's an excellent word in Russian, кайфожор, (I can't adequately translate to English - it's more or less "glutton of high"), which describes behaviour that stands behind most of drug user's health problems. Basically, it's a desire to get high, on anything, at any cost, which drives people to do the most stupid things with alcohol and drugs. Sadly, that's also the most paying client base, so you see a lot of drug producers catering to this audience specifically, always emphasising the strength of substances as a primary selling point. Among hundreds of shops on the marketplace, 99% talk about how strong their stuff is and how it can beat tolerance and almost none - about health.

tempguy9999 7y ago
Such behaviour is exactly what is causing me to doubt my long-held belief that all drugs should be legalised. I just don't know any more.
- golergka 7y ago
  Of course they should. People should bear responsibility for their own behavior.
  - tempguy9999 7y ago
    That people Should does not mean they Will. Supposing for the sake of argument that ruining their lives and only their lives is acceptable, then yes, legalise and let people suffer the consequences of their decisions; they are adults. But there's often an inevitable spillover from that individual to others, say spouses and children, and bystanders (like pedestrians cos someone got pissed and knew they were safe to drive home - and alcohol is a drug, and very legal). Even non-drugs like food is blatantly abused - ever seen a morbidly fat person? If we legalise drugs then I am coming to the conclusion that we need to take a society-wide approach, which means at the very least banning all advertising and probably banning production by privately owned companies because their job is to make money which precisely leads to their wanting to increase the number of users and their amount used - look at alcohol advertising. I don't disagree or agree any more, I've simply lost my certainty. HTH. FYI this is short and incredibly informative: <https://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/05/the-case-for-prescription-heroin/> https://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/05/the-case-for-prescriptio...