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Really? Do you think Samsung and LG would be more likely to develop not to mention support an Android competitor? This ban is the best thing that happened to Ko

Really? Do you think Samsung and LG would be more likely to develop not to mention support an Android competitor? This ban is the best thing that happened to Korean mobile phone manufacturers for years. Huawei was breathing down Sammy’s neck things are looking much bright for them now.

rickdeckard 7y ago
Not really. The situation is much more opening the space for OTHER Chinese vendors to jump in and grab the market. Samsung is already selling in all channels where Huawei is, so they have their shelf-space allocated already. That slot will not remain vacant. LG can surely grab a bit more business in short-term for sales-channels they were not selling to, because even if they are not in a specific channel, they have products ready and tested for the market to fill the gap immediately. TCL/Alcatel has maybe some opportunities in low-price device-tier as well, because they have established relationships with many carriers and retailers. On the other hand, Oppo, Vivo, OnePlus, Xiaomi are all not sanctioned by US, all of them offer comparable products with a very similar price and aggressively try to expand their international presence. So I expect mainly a Oppo/Vivo/OnePlus vs. Xiaomi vs. TCL/Alcatel fight for every slot Huawei is at risk to lose...
- NotPaidToPost 7y ago
  EE (owned by BT) launched its 5G lineup in London this week. They dropped Huawei but had a OnePlus instead. More Chinese brands pop up every time you try to cut one off ;)
  - seniorivn 7y ago
    You will be surprised how good it will be for poping up chenese if you cut off ccp and all of it subbrands like huawei and etc
tushar-r 7y ago
>Do you think Samsung and LG would be more likely to develop not to mention support an Android competitor? Samsung tried this with Tizen, IIRC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizen
jdright 7y ago
After this fiasco, I'm more than ever willing to change to Huawei. Best yet if they change to a platform not based on Android. I'm done with Google (and Android soon) in every possible way.
- novaRom 7y ago
  As first step I switched from terrible Android TV to WebOs and it's absolutely amazing OS. I wonder why nobody is using it in smartphones.
  - untog 7y ago
    Apps. That, to me, seems like the real barrier for any new smartphone platform. It happened with Windows Phone, a platform backed by a huge company and even using a very popular language and platform. I think WebOS and Firefox OS were before their time a little given the rise of progressive web apps, but I still don't think they're a complete answer until they can use native UI elements.
  - HillaryBriss 7y ago
    yeah. this discussion seems to mix up android's success as an ecosystem and android's quality as an OS and a technical achievement. android's large market share is attributable to many things beyond the software itself, which, in any case, owes a heavy debt to Linux. replacing android as an ecosystem will require enticing a large 3rd party developer base to write apps. the worldwide android developer community is full of developers eager to you know, like, make actual money on their apps. if Huawei can create a new app marketplace where that happens for these developers, they should be able to attract abundant talent. they should imitate Apple, not Google.
  - krackers 7y ago
    >WebOs and it's absolutely amazing OS. I wonder why nobody is using it in smartphones. It used to be [1], but was a victim of HP's incompetence. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Pre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Pre
- NicoJuicy 7y ago
harryf 7y ago
Oh sure - short term yes this is a win for Samsung over Huawei but long term it sends a very clear message that the future of their business depends highly on Google and the winds of US foreign policy. You don't want to be the person presenting to the Samsung board "Future Risks: Donald Trump"
- jimclegg 7y ago
  Right but when US technology cannot be depended on long term, the default foreign position many will take is to avoid or route around it.
- excpudesigner 7y ago
  US foreign policy doesn't change on a whim as some people like to make it out to be. The economic dispute with China has been in the making for decades at this point.

rickdeckard 7y ago

Not really. The situation is much more opening the space for OTHER Chinese vendors to jump in and grab the market. Samsung is already selling in all channels where Huawei is, so they have their shelf-space allocated already. That slot will not remain vacant. LG can surely grab a bit more business in short-term for sales-channels they were not selling to, because even if they are not in a specific channel, they have products ready and tested for the market to fill the gap immediately. TCL/Alcatel has maybe some opportunities in low-price device-tier as well, because they have established relationships with many carriers and retailers. On the other hand, Oppo, Vivo, OnePlus, Xiaomi are all not sanctioned by US, all of them offer comparable products with a very similar price and aggressively try to expand their international presence. So I expect mainly a Oppo/Vivo/OnePlus vs. Xiaomi vs. TCL/Alcatel fight for every slot Huawei is at risk to lose...

NotPaidToPost 7y ago
EE (owned by BT) launched its 5G lineup in London this week. They dropped Huawei but had a OnePlus instead. More Chinese brands pop up every time you try to cut one off ;)
- seniorivn 7y ago
  You will be surprised how good it will be for poping up chenese if you cut off ccp and all of it subbrands like huawei and etc

tushar-r 7y ago

>Do you think Samsung and LG would be more likely to develop not to mention support an Android competitor? Samsung tried this with Tizen, IIRC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizen

jdright 7y ago

After this fiasco, I'm more than ever willing to change to Huawei. Best yet if they change to a platform not based on Android. I'm done with Google (and Android soon) in every possible way.

novaRom 7y ago
As first step I switched from terrible Android TV to WebOs and it's absolutely amazing OS. I wonder why nobody is using it in smartphones.
- untog 7y ago
  Apps. That, to me, seems like the real barrier for any new smartphone platform. It happened with Windows Phone, a platform backed by a huge company and even using a very popular language and platform. I think WebOS and Firefox OS were before their time a little given the rise of progressive web apps, but I still don't think they're a complete answer until they can use native UI elements.
- HillaryBriss 7y ago
  yeah. this discussion seems to mix up android's success as an ecosystem and android's quality as an OS and a technical achievement. android's large market share is attributable to many things beyond the software itself, which, in any case, owes a heavy debt to Linux. replacing android as an ecosystem will require enticing a large 3rd party developer base to write apps. the worldwide android developer community is full of developers eager to you know, like, make actual money on their apps. if Huawei can create a new app marketplace where that happens for these developers, they should be able to attract abundant talent. they should imitate Apple, not Google.
- krackers 7y ago
  >WebOs and it's absolutely amazing OS. I wonder why nobody is using it in smartphones. It used to be [1], but was a victim of HP's incompetence. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Pre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Pre
NicoJuicy 7y ago

harryf 7y ago

Oh sure - short term yes this is a win for Samsung over Huawei but long term it sends a very clear message that the future of their business depends highly on Google and the winds of US foreign policy. You don't want to be the person presenting to the Samsung board "Future Risks: Donald Trump"

jimclegg 7y ago
Right but when US technology cannot be depended on long term, the default foreign position many will take is to avoid or route around it.
excpudesigner 7y ago
US foreign policy doesn't change on a whim as some people like to make it out to be. The economic dispute with China has been in the making for decades at this point.