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I always find it a shame to focus on her clothes; she is first and foremost a music hacker. And a really really good one.

by ErrantX 16y ago

sigzero 16y ago
That is a matter of taste isn't it? I find her music horrible.
- ErrantX 16y ago
  Oh don't get me wrong. I dislike it too. But it's possible to appreciate the hacker aspect and skill. It is easy to dismiss her music as silly, unoriginal or poor because we don't like it, but that can be unfair :)
  - powrtoch 16y ago
    Well... it's possible to notice it's silly and unoriginal even if you do like it, and saying it's poor seems like another way of saying that one doesn't like it. If her goal is to get famous and have hit songs though, I suppose we do have to grant that she accomplishes this expertly. It might be nice if she had loftier goals, like creating something with actual integrity, but I have to admit she's at least effective.
    - ErrantX 16y ago
      Hmm, well my point was more that her music is technically very good. From a sort of academic perspective the music is very clever and carefully designed. It hacks for popular listening. Although I realise such a point of view is probably the by-product of having a brother who's finishing up a music degree and so I get bored to death with lectures about this stuff :)
      - bitwize 16y ago
        No. Drummond and Cauty hacked the popular music industry in the late 80s, then literally wrote the book on how to do it. Compared to them Gaga is a script kiddie. Take Gaga's attitude and bluster away and you have Dale Bozzio. Interesting -- her stuff was more listenable and she looked cuter in those ridiculous outfits.
aeroegnr 16y ago
A contemporary and more fitting example of a musical hacker would be Imogen Heap. I've seen videos of her constructing songs from audio loops of her own voice in real time.
- ced 16y ago
  Wow, that's quite amazing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25VGdNU3nrU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25VGdNU3nrU I don't know to what extent some of the stuff is preprogrammed (presumably the loop lengths are), but it really seems like all the sounds were made during this one recording.

I always find it a shame to focus on her clothes; she is first and foremost a music hacker. And a really really good one.

by ErrantX 16y ago

I always find it a shame to focus on her clothes; she is first and foremost a music hacker. And a really really good one.

sigzero 16y ago

That is a matter of taste isn't it? I find her music horrible.

ErrantX 16y ago
Oh don't get me wrong. I dislike it too. But it's possible to appreciate the hacker aspect and skill. It is easy to dismiss her music as silly, unoriginal or poor because we don't like it, but that can be unfair :)
- powrtoch 16y ago
  Well... it's possible to notice it's silly and unoriginal even if you do like it, and saying it's poor seems like another way of saying that one doesn't like it. If her goal is to get famous and have hit songs though, I suppose we do have to grant that she accomplishes this expertly. It might be nice if she had loftier goals, like creating something with actual integrity, but I have to admit she's at least effective.
  - ErrantX 16y ago
    Hmm, well my point was more that her music is technically very good. From a sort of academic perspective the music is very clever and carefully designed. It hacks for popular listening. Although I realise such a point of view is probably the by-product of having a brother who's finishing up a music degree and so I get bored to death with lectures about this stuff :)
    - bitwize 16y ago
      No. Drummond and Cauty hacked the popular music industry in the late 80s, then literally wrote the book on how to do it. Compared to them Gaga is a script kiddie. Take Gaga's attitude and bluster away and you have Dale Bozzio. Interesting -- her stuff was more listenable and she looked cuter in those ridiculous outfits.

aeroegnr 16y ago

A contemporary and more fitting example of a musical hacker would be Imogen Heap. I've seen videos of her constructing songs from audio loops of her own voice in real time.

ced 16y ago
Wow, that's quite amazing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25VGdNU3nrU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25VGdNU3nrU I don't know to what extent some of the stuff is preprogrammed (presumably the loop lengths are), but it really seems like all the sounds were made during this one recording.