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100 MB for a terminal emulator? Debian's package for xterm is 200 times smaller, but OK, let's try... Google Analytics? Thanks, I'll pass on this one!

by zakk 7y ago

crispinb 7y ago
> 100 MB for a terminal emulator? Silly on any Linux or on OS X. The available alternatives are too good, and not such a daft size. But it's a real contender on Windows where terminal apps are dire (if improving fast). > Google Analytics? There's a setting for it. On or off - user's choice.
- lucideer 7y ago
  If it's on by default, it can't reasonably be called a user's choice.
  - crispinb 7y ago
    A user who can't flick a switch on a settings screen has bigger problems than google analytics.
    - fimdomeio 7y ago
      a user who has to flick a thousand switch a day in multiple apps and sites to have things the way he wants probably as given up and doesn't have the things the way he wants.
    - lucideer 7y ago
      A user has to: (a) be aware of the existence of said switch for every app they use (b) be aware of the ramifications of that setting/feature (something I fear even many devs don't fully grok). (c) Most importantly, can only opt-out after the fact: Google analytics runs before you have any opportunity to access the settings panel.
      - crispinb 7y ago
        (c) is a fair point.
      - crispinb 7y ago
        On reflection I do agree on the ethics of it - if the authors have a defensible reason for using it, they should make full disclosure on first run. I've submitted a github issue to that effect. The pragmatics are still in favour of it for me - I haven't found another Windows terminal that does everything I want as effectively. Of course I switched off the analytics (scanning settings is always the first thing I do on installing anything). I do tend to try new terminals I come across because electron does seem daft for a terminal, but for now Terminus really does a fine job.
      - crispinb 7y ago
        The author has added a welcome screen that it seems (haven't tried the build myself yet) won't enable google analytics until specifically authorised by the user (https://github.com/Eugeny/terminus/issues/845#issuecomment-495947791 https://github.com/Eugeny/terminus/issues/845#issuecomment-4...)
    - the_duke 7y ago
      Putting Google Analytics into a desktop application is ridiculous and immediately disqualifies the project for me. Event it it were opt-in rather than opt-out.
- sametmax 7y ago
  On windows cmder is already damn good. And ms prepares an official better terminal too.
  - crispinb 7y ago
    Sure, as I say it's improving. I had a bunch of problems I never fixed with cmder. Windows Terminal has definite promise. We'll see.
- anoncake 7y ago
  If the author wanted to respect the user's choice, they would simply ask instead of using dark patterns.
- h1d 7y ago
  You won't need any third party ones on Windows soon enough. https://github.com/microsoft/terminal https://github.com/microsoft/terminal
  - crispinb 7y ago
    Possibly true - I compiled it and it's a bit rough for daily use as yet. It will be a long time (if ever) before it will compare with iTerm2 or Terminator.

100 MB for a terminal emulator? Debian's package for xterm is 200 times smaller, but OK, let's try... Google Analytics? Thanks, I'll pass on this one!

by zakk 7y ago

100 MB for a terminal emulator? Debian's package for xterm is 200 times smaller, but OK, let's try... Google Analytics? Thanks, I'll pass on this one!

crispinb 7y ago

> 100 MB for a terminal emulator? Silly on any Linux or on OS X. The available alternatives are too good, and not such a daft size. But it's a real contender on Windows where terminal apps are dire (if improving fast). > Google Analytics? There's a setting for it. On or off - user's choice.

lucideer 7y ago
If it's on by default, it can't reasonably be called a user's choice.
- crispinb 7y ago
  A user who can't flick a switch on a settings screen has bigger problems than google analytics.
  - fimdomeio 7y ago
    a user who has to flick a thousand switch a day in multiple apps and sites to have things the way he wants probably as given up and doesn't have the things the way he wants.
  - lucideer 7y ago
    A user has to: (a) be aware of the existence of said switch for every app they use (b) be aware of the ramifications of that setting/feature (something I fear even many devs don't fully grok). (c) Most importantly, can only opt-out after the fact: Google analytics runs before you have any opportunity to access the settings panel.
    - crispinb 7y ago
      (c) is a fair point.
    - crispinb 7y ago
      On reflection I do agree on the ethics of it - if the authors have a defensible reason for using it, they should make full disclosure on first run. I've submitted a github issue to that effect. The pragmatics are still in favour of it for me - I haven't found another Windows terminal that does everything I want as effectively. Of course I switched off the analytics (scanning settings is always the first thing I do on installing anything). I do tend to try new terminals I come across because electron does seem daft for a terminal, but for now Terminus really does a fine job.
    - crispinb 7y ago
      The author has added a welcome screen that it seems (haven't tried the build myself yet) won't enable google analytics until specifically authorised by the user (https://github.com/Eugeny/terminus/issues/845#issuecomment-495947791 https://github.com/Eugeny/terminus/issues/845#issuecomment-4...)
  - the_duke 7y ago
    Putting Google Analytics into a desktop application is ridiculous and immediately disqualifies the project for me. Event it it were opt-in rather than opt-out.
sametmax 7y ago
On windows cmder is already damn good. And ms prepares an official better terminal too.
- crispinb 7y ago
  Sure, as I say it's improving. I had a bunch of problems I never fixed with cmder. Windows Terminal has definite promise. We'll see.
anoncake 7y ago
If the author wanted to respect the user's choice, they would simply ask instead of using dark patterns.
h1d 7y ago
You won't need any third party ones on Windows soon enough. https://github.com/microsoft/terminal https://github.com/microsoft/terminal
- crispinb 7y ago
  Possibly true - I compiled it and it's a bit rough for daily use as yet. It will be a long time (if ever) before it will compare with iTerm2 or Terminator.