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I think that anybody who thinks that US government can lose, that the outcome for such a high profile case isn't predetermined is naive.

AnimalMuppet 7y ago
I think you're naive. The US lost the Pentagon Papers case. The independent judiciary is a real thing, and it really matters.
- threeseed 7y ago
  They are not naive. They are being deliberately disingenuous.
- anthuman 7y ago
  The "US" didn't lose. Nixon lost because he went up against the establishment powers who backed the NYTimes. So the "US" won. The supreme court isn't an "independent judiciary". They are part of the power structure. The supreme court is a political court filled with political appointees. It's why appointments to the supreme court are political fiascos. Somehow I don't think assange is going to get the same treatment as the nytimes since he doesn't have the backing of political or media bigshots that the nytimes does. Assange is the enemy of both the republican and democratic parties. He is the enemy of the nytimes, wapo and all establishment media. Assange will get no more a fair trial in the US than a ugyhur would get in a chinese court. Just like the Pentagon Papers ruling was a sure thing long before Nixon decided to go after the NYTimes. Assange's fate is sealed.
  - AnimalMuppet 7y ago
    You seem to be defining the "US power structure" as "what won those cases". Then the "US power structure" always wins, by definition. It's hard to see what evidence would be sufficient to persuade you that your view is mistaken. For those who don't share your initial assumption, however, your argument is completely unpersuasive.
- 50656E6973 7y ago
  Executive power has disproportionately increased vastly in the ~50 years since the Pentagon Papers. Covert warfare irrespective of congressional approval, public knowledge, or international boundaries like that exposed in the Pentagon Papers has become normalized since at least 2001. Pretending judges are somehow magically independent and immune to political influences and pressures is silly. With that being said I'm not sure I agree 100% with the parent comment you were replying to.
threeseed 7y ago
This is utter nonsense. US government routinely loses high profile cases. Trump government lost quite a few very high profile cases just in the last few days.
- dsfyu404ed 7y ago
  >This is utter nonsense. US government routinely loses high profile cases. Not when both sides agree they shouldn't lose. If he was just being extradited because "hurr-durr, muh classified info" or "hurr-dur, muh DNC emails" it would be a toss up but because both sides of the government want him screwed for various reasons he will be screwed.

AnimalMuppet 7y ago

I think you're naive. The US lost the Pentagon Papers case. The independent judiciary is a real thing, and it really matters.

threeseed 7y ago
They are not naive. They are being deliberately disingenuous.
anthuman 7y ago
The "US" didn't lose. Nixon lost because he went up against the establishment powers who backed the NYTimes. So the "US" won. The supreme court isn't an "independent judiciary". They are part of the power structure. The supreme court is a political court filled with political appointees. It's why appointments to the supreme court are political fiascos. Somehow I don't think assange is going to get the same treatment as the nytimes since he doesn't have the backing of political or media bigshots that the nytimes does. Assange is the enemy of both the republican and democratic parties. He is the enemy of the nytimes, wapo and all establishment media. Assange will get no more a fair trial in the US than a ugyhur would get in a chinese court. Just like the Pentagon Papers ruling was a sure thing long before Nixon decided to go after the NYTimes. Assange's fate is sealed.
- AnimalMuppet 7y ago
  You seem to be defining the "US power structure" as "what won those cases". Then the "US power structure" always wins, by definition. It's hard to see what evidence would be sufficient to persuade you that your view is mistaken. For those who don't share your initial assumption, however, your argument is completely unpersuasive.
50656E6973 7y ago
Executive power has disproportionately increased vastly in the ~50 years since the Pentagon Papers. Covert warfare irrespective of congressional approval, public knowledge, or international boundaries like that exposed in the Pentagon Papers has become normalized since at least 2001. Pretending judges are somehow magically independent and immune to political influences and pressures is silly. With that being said I'm not sure I agree 100% with the parent comment you were replying to.

threeseed 7y ago

This is utter nonsense. US government routinely loses high profile cases. Trump government lost quite a few very high profile cases just in the last few days.

dsfyu404ed 7y ago
>This is utter nonsense. US government routinely loses high profile cases. Not when both sides agree they shouldn't lose. If he was just being extradited because "hurr-durr, muh classified info" or "hurr-dur, muh DNC emails" it would be a toss up but because both sides of the government want him screwed for various reasons he will be screwed.