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> That's the professional bureaucrat overseeing the work e.g. an architect I'm sorry but that's absolutely wrong. You don't become an Architecte en chef by pro

by Kyrio 7y ago

> That's the professional bureaucrat overseeing the work e.g. an architect I'm sorry but that's absolutely wrong. You don't become an Architecte en chef by promotion, it's a competitive exam that requires extensive knowledge of art history, ancient architecture and preservation/restoration techniques. Most architects with this title have businesses of their own, they're just specialized in restoration work rather than construction work, and they're assigned a number of territories to study and preserve their monuments (as long as they're state-owned). It's not, at all, about "navigating the civil service", and since they're architects, they're not overseeing any architects besides their own employees.

brmgb 7y ago
> I'm sorry but that's absolutely wrong. You don't become an Architecte en chef by promotion, it's a competitive exam No, Architecte et urbaniste de l'État is an exam (like everything regarding the civil service in France). Architecte en chef very much is a promotion. It's the grade following Architecte de l'État and preceding Architecte générale. > Most architects with this title have businesses of their own No, they are all civil servants and work for a minister. > navigating the civil service Yes, being promoted is very much about getting old and navigating the civil service. Architecte et urbaniste de l'État very much is a managing position with all it implies when you are working for the state.
- p1esk 7y ago
  Does he have relevant experience managing restorations of old cathedrals? Do you know someone more qualified for the job?
- Kyrio 7y ago
  You're confusing with Architecte des bâtiments de France. ACMH is a competitive exam and the Wikipedia page [1] can clear that up. I know several people who took it. It's just become very rare, like one every four years. It's definitely not a promotion, and unrelated to the ABF position (which is a part of AUE). But it is equivalent to being a civil servant, except you can have an architecture business of your own. [1] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecte_en_chef_des_monuments_historiques https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecte_en_chef_des_monumen...
  - brmgb 7y ago
    Indeed I am. My apologies.

by Kyrio 7y ago

brmgb 7y ago

> I'm sorry but that's absolutely wrong. You don't become an Architecte en chef by promotion, it's a competitive exam No, Architecte et urbaniste de l'État is an exam (like everything regarding the civil service in France). Architecte en chef very much is a promotion. It's the grade following Architecte de l'État and preceding Architecte générale. > Most architects with this title have businesses of their own No, they are all civil servants and work for a minister. > navigating the civil service Yes, being promoted is very much about getting old and navigating the civil service. Architecte et urbaniste de l'État very much is a managing position with all it implies when you are working for the state.

p1esk 7y ago
Does he have relevant experience managing restorations of old cathedrals? Do you know someone more qualified for the job?
Kyrio 7y ago
You're confusing with Architecte des bâtiments de France. ACMH is a competitive exam and the Wikipedia page [1] can clear that up. I know several people who took it. It's just become very rare, like one every four years. It's definitely not a promotion, and unrelated to the ABF position (which is a part of AUE). But it is equivalent to being a civil servant, except you can have an architecture business of your own. [1] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecte_en_chef_des_monuments_historiques https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecte_en_chef_des_monumen...
- brmgb 7y ago
  Indeed I am. My apologies.