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We've seen the same results in every country that has attempted it, so why would one more country be any different? How many repeating occurrences of something

by Nadya 7y ago

We've seen the same results in every country that has attempted it, so why would one more country be any different? How many repeating occurrences of something occurring do you need before you can look at the data and go "There's a strong correlation there." without being called or implied to be a racist?

Apocryphon 7y ago
Because if cultures are real, then it stands to reason that an immigration policy set by Japanese people would be different from one set by Western Europeans.
- Nadya 7y ago
  There are only so many ways to make cheese and most of the process is going to remain the same. Being a different or unique culture doesn't fundamentally change how cheese is manufactured. I fail to see your point. There are only so many ways to do set immigration policy and currently Japanese policy is different from ones used by Western countries. Much to the chagrin of the Western countries criticizing it as their own policies are breaking down and giving rise to nationalism and increasing social and racial tensions.
  - Apocryphon 7y ago
    But we're not talking about different cheeses, but perhaps different dairy products. Yogurt is not a cheese. While not free of problems, Canada's immigration situation seems to not have attracted the same amount of problems as seen in other Western nations. Strange that Japan isn't adopting a similar points-based system. But it seems like the sort of Japanese innovation that could arise. One would presume a Japanese immigration policy and pathway of citizenship would mandate learning the language and other ways to facilitate assimilation, different from the policies of most Western nations.
    - Nadya 7y ago
      >Strange that Japan isn't adopting a similar points-based system They do use a points-based system for highly-skilled workers: http://www.immi-moj.go.jp/newimmiact_3/en/evaluate/index.html http://www.immi-moj.go.jp/newimmiact_3/en/evaluate/index.htm... >One would presume a Japanese immigration policy and pathway of citizenship would mandate learning the language and other ways to facilitate assimilation It strongly does and is incredibly difficult otherwise. When applying for citizenship if you struggle at all when asked questions in Japanese you will likely, if not certainly, be rejected. There are countless anecdotal stories out there confirming the difficulties in attaining citizenship from people who already have permanent resident status.
      - Apocryphon 7y ago
        So given how historically stringent the Japanese government has been in doling out citizenship, it stands to reason even an "open" policy would be more measured and less laissez-faire than those in, say, Nordic countries, no?

by Nadya 7y ago

Apocryphon 7y ago

Because if cultures are real, then it stands to reason that an immigration policy set by Japanese people would be different from one set by Western Europeans.

Nadya 7y ago
There are only so many ways to make cheese and most of the process is going to remain the same. Being a different or unique culture doesn't fundamentally change how cheese is manufactured. I fail to see your point. There are only so many ways to do set immigration policy and currently Japanese policy is different from ones used by Western countries. Much to the chagrin of the Western countries criticizing it as their own policies are breaking down and giving rise to nationalism and increasing social and racial tensions.
- Apocryphon 7y ago
  But we're not talking about different cheeses, but perhaps different dairy products. Yogurt is not a cheese. While not free of problems, Canada's immigration situation seems to not have attracted the same amount of problems as seen in other Western nations. Strange that Japan isn't adopting a similar points-based system. But it seems like the sort of Japanese innovation that could arise. One would presume a Japanese immigration policy and pathway of citizenship would mandate learning the language and other ways to facilitate assimilation, different from the policies of most Western nations.
  - Nadya 7y ago
    >Strange that Japan isn't adopting a similar points-based system They do use a points-based system for highly-skilled workers: http://www.immi-moj.go.jp/newimmiact_3/en/evaluate/index.html http://www.immi-moj.go.jp/newimmiact_3/en/evaluate/index.htm... >One would presume a Japanese immigration policy and pathway of citizenship would mandate learning the language and other ways to facilitate assimilation It strongly does and is incredibly difficult otherwise. When applying for citizenship if you struggle at all when asked questions in Japanese you will likely, if not certainly, be rejected. There are countless anecdotal stories out there confirming the difficulties in attaining citizenship from people who already have permanent resident status.
    - Apocryphon 7y ago
      So given how historically stringent the Japanese government has been in doling out citizenship, it stands to reason even an "open" policy would be more measured and less laissez-faire than those in, say, Nordic countries, no?