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Your comment seems completely rational but ignores that we have science refuting your opinion. Not only that, the research on this comes from different branches

by josho 7y ago

Your comment seems completely rational but ignores that we have science refuting your opinion. Not only that, the research on this comes from different branches of science that all converge on the same conclusions. I suggest you do a little more reading on the topic. Storms of My GrandChildren is an easy place to start. And as always if you have a good source that disputes climate science I would really appreciate a reference.

anthuman 7y ago
"Storms of our Children"? Were you the same person recommending "2012 end of the world" books a decade ago? Also, "science" hasn't refuted anything I said. I'm the only one who linked to science. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Glacial_Maximum#/media/File:Evolution_of_temperature_in_the_Post-Glacial_period_according_to_Greenland_ice_cores.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Glacial_Maximum#/media/Fi... That is a list of significant climate changes just in the last 20000 years ( a very short time period relatively speaking ). We don't know the definitive "why" of any of those natural shifts in climate. If you know why these climate changes occurred before humans started using fossil fuels, please let me know. And please let me know the percentages in temperature increase that nature is responsible for and humans are responsible for. I went into greater detail here if you are interested. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19991130 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19991130 My advice is not to read mass market "oh think of the children" rubbish like "Storms of our Children". Instead look at the facts and think for yourself. If you have a climate model that works, let me know. If you have any climate scientist who knows why climate shifted in the past, let me know. It's amazing how when it comes to "end of the world nonsense", people will believe anything without any real science behind it.
- josho 7y ago
  The book is Storms of My Grandchildren, I mis-remembered the title. It's written by James Hansen a NASA scientist. So, don't dismiss it as mass market rubbish. The book does address each and every point that you've made in this discussion. I recommend you give it a read. Elsewhere you speak of the "propagandists". Who are these people? When I've dug into this I found 2 groups. Scientists that speak in dense terms and explain evidence. And people linked to industry funding that speak in generalizations and easily refuted science. I'm very curious to see who you consider a climate propagandist.

by josho 7y ago

anthuman 7y ago

"Storms of our Children"? Were you the same person recommending "2012 end of the world" books a decade ago? Also, "science" hasn't refuted anything I said. I'm the only one who linked to science. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Glacial_Maximum#/media/File:Evolution_of_temperature_in_the_Post-Glacial_period_according_to_Greenland_ice_cores.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Glacial_Maximum#/media/Fi... That is a list of significant climate changes just in the last 20000 years ( a very short time period relatively speaking ). We don't know the definitive "why" of any of those natural shifts in climate. If you know why these climate changes occurred before humans started using fossil fuels, please let me know. And please let me know the percentages in temperature increase that nature is responsible for and humans are responsible for. I went into greater detail here if you are interested. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19991130 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19991130 My advice is not to read mass market "oh think of the children" rubbish like "Storms of our Children". Instead look at the facts and think for yourself. If you have a climate model that works, let me know. If you have any climate scientist who knows why climate shifted in the past, let me know. It's amazing how when it comes to "end of the world nonsense", people will believe anything without any real science behind it.

josho 7y ago
The book is Storms of My Grandchildren, I mis-remembered the title. It's written by James Hansen a NASA scientist. So, don't dismiss it as mass market rubbish. The book does address each and every point that you've made in this discussion. I recommend you give it a read. Elsewhere you speak of the "propagandists". Who are these people? When I've dug into this I found 2 groups. Scientists that speak in dense terms and explain evidence. And people linked to industry funding that speak in generalizations and easily refuted science. I'm very curious to see who you consider a climate propagandist.