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I'm far more sceptical of Google. Brave's movitvation is to supply privacy compliant browser as an alternative to Chrome. Google's motivation is to sell ads and

by s_dev 7y ago

I'm far more sceptical of Google. Brave's movitvation is to supply privacy compliant browser as an alternative to Chrome. Google's motivation is to sell ads and hoard data on people.

tssva 7y ago
Brave's motivation is to push people to use their browser in order to further their extortion based business model.
- s_dev 7y ago
  > Brave's motivation is to push people to use their browser in order to further their extortion based business model. Thats Google. Google store information on you -- Brave don't really have data centres of peoples search history and profile info. My big problem with Brave is -- it just simply isn't a good browser yet. It doesn't work properly with lots of sites I use e.g. teamwork.com
- prepend 7y ago
  What’s their extortion based business model? I thought their deal was they pay sites with their schrutebucks based on user monthly pay-in (ie, I pay $10/month, I spend 50% of my time on HN, therefore HN gets $5 minus Brave’s 30% or whatever).
  - tssva 7y ago
    If participation in the program was purely under completely voluntary terms then it would be fine but it isn't. Instead Brave extorts sites to participate in their program by blocking their current funding method and forcing Brave's terms upon them if they want to recover some of the lost revenue.
    - iscrewyou 7y ago
      Sounds like a court case waiting to happen...
      - tomstockmail 7y ago
        While no true lawsuit yet, there have been cease-and-desist sent: https://www.businessinsider.com/newspaper-publishers-send-cease-and-desist-to-brave-browser-2016-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/newspaper-publishers-send-ce... Most recently (as far as big news goes) it turns out Brave collects donations even if content creators don't participate. AFAIK it's an opt-out feature right now, not opt-in. So Brave is putting donation buttons on YouTuber pages, which only allows the Brave user to donate BAT (Basic Attention Tokens - an altcoin that Brave created on Ethereum), and they hold them until the YouTuber claims it. They also take certain BAT back from the YouTuber if it's not claimed within a year - but those are the free BAT that they give out to Brave users to encourage adoption. BAT donated to YouTubers that the Brave user bought themselves stays in an escrow for now. https://twitter.com/tomscott/status/1076160753793683456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw https://twitter.com/tomscott/status/1076160753793683456?ref_...
    - sgift 7y ago
      "Brave extorts sites to participate in their program by blocking their current funding method" is an interesting rephrasing of "Brave has a build-in adblocker."
      - dmix 7y ago
        Sounds like one of those a descriptions of technology you hear in the news from some ancient company's legal team, invented to explain some run-of-the-mill technology (that's not going away) using a prior era's analogy. ie "Stealing a file on the internet".
      - drusepth 7y ago
        Not wrong, though.
  - _eht 7y ago
    I was under the impression they decided on Stanley nickels.
- anoncake 7y ago
  If your business is based on fraud, malware and emotional manipulation, you don't get to complain about extortion.
  - tssva 7y ago
    Can you provide a complete list of which immoral actions by one party do and don't justify immoral actions by others? Or is it if someone acts immorally any action is response is therefore moral?
    - anoncake 7y ago
      Nothing ever justifies an immoral action. If it's justified, it's not immoral. If your business actively harms society -- as advertising does -- complaining about extortion, which is merely a zero-sum game, is hypocritical.
      - lern_too_spel 7y ago
        Brave's business model also depends on advertising. The GP was critical of both Brave and Google. There was nothing hypocritical about their statement.
        anoncake 7y ago
        I meant that Google would be hypocritical, not the GP.
      - MaxBarraclough 7y ago
        Are you saying extortion doesn't harm society?
        anoncake 7y ago
        No, you hallucinated the words "zero-sum game".
  - 7y ago

by s_dev 7y ago

I'm far more sceptical of Google. Brave's movitvation is to supply privacy compliant browser as an alternative to Chrome. Google's motivation is to sell ads and hoard data on people.

tssva 7y ago

Brave's motivation is to push people to use their browser in order to further their extortion based business model.

s_dev 7y ago
> Brave's motivation is to push people to use their browser in order to further their extortion based business model. Thats Google. Google store information on you -- Brave don't really have data centres of peoples search history and profile info. My big problem with Brave is -- it just simply isn't a good browser yet. It doesn't work properly with lots of sites I use e.g. teamwork.com
prepend 7y ago
What’s their extortion based business model? I thought their deal was they pay sites with their schrutebucks based on user monthly pay-in (ie, I pay $10/month, I spend 50% of my time on HN, therefore HN gets $5 minus Brave’s 30% or whatever).
- tssva 7y ago
  If participation in the program was purely under completely voluntary terms then it would be fine but it isn't. Instead Brave extorts sites to participate in their program by blocking their current funding method and forcing Brave's terms upon them if they want to recover some of the lost revenue.
  - iscrewyou 7y ago
    Sounds like a court case waiting to happen...
    - tomstockmail 7y ago
      While no true lawsuit yet, there have been cease-and-desist sent: https://www.businessinsider.com/newspaper-publishers-send-cease-and-desist-to-brave-browser-2016-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/newspaper-publishers-send-ce... Most recently (as far as big news goes) it turns out Brave collects donations even if content creators don't participate. AFAIK it's an opt-out feature right now, not opt-in. So Brave is putting donation buttons on YouTuber pages, which only allows the Brave user to donate BAT (Basic Attention Tokens - an altcoin that Brave created on Ethereum), and they hold them until the YouTuber claims it. They also take certain BAT back from the YouTuber if it's not claimed within a year - but those are the free BAT that they give out to Brave users to encourage adoption. BAT donated to YouTubers that the Brave user bought themselves stays in an escrow for now. https://twitter.com/tomscott/status/1076160753793683456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw https://twitter.com/tomscott/status/1076160753793683456?ref_...
  - sgift 7y ago
    "Brave extorts sites to participate in their program by blocking their current funding method" is an interesting rephrasing of "Brave has a build-in adblocker."
    - dmix 7y ago
      Sounds like one of those a descriptions of technology you hear in the news from some ancient company's legal team, invented to explain some run-of-the-mill technology (that's not going away) using a prior era's analogy. ie "Stealing a file on the internet".
    - drusepth 7y ago
      Not wrong, though.
- _eht 7y ago
  I was under the impression they decided on Stanley nickels.
anoncake 7y ago
If your business is based on fraud, malware and emotional manipulation, you don't get to complain about extortion.
- tssva 7y ago
  Can you provide a complete list of which immoral actions by one party do and don't justify immoral actions by others? Or is it if someone acts immorally any action is response is therefore moral?
  - anoncake 7y ago
    Nothing ever justifies an immoral action. If it's justified, it's not immoral. If your business actively harms society -- as advertising does -- complaining about extortion, which is merely a zero-sum game, is hypocritical.
    - lern_too_spel 7y ago
      Brave's business model also depends on advertising. The GP was critical of both Brave and Google. There was nothing hypocritical about their statement.
      - anoncake 7y ago
        I meant that Google would be hypocritical, not the GP.
    - MaxBarraclough 7y ago
      Are you saying extortion doesn't harm society?
      - anoncake 7y ago
        No, you hallucinated the words "zero-sum game".
- 7y ago