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Brave, I wish I liked you more. As much as I am cautious with trusting Google, your motives and history are somehow more questionable to me.

by _eht 7y ago

ListeningPie 7y ago
What in Brave’s history and motives are questionable?
- blackbrokkoli 7y ago
  Some time ago there was a scandal because apparently they create profiles for content creators which aren't signed up on their platform and accept money on their behalf. Afterwards Brave spouted very dubious arguments with things like ominous legalese to HN comments with an "trust us, we're nerds too" vibe. From a cynical perspective, it looked a lot like smoke and mirrors from an entity currently sitting on a pile of money acquired by impersonating people.
  - pergadad 7y ago
    Isn't this anyway their own tokens? So no matter whether the providers do have an own account or not, if they don't cash it out then there's no cost to brave. So its.just that they were incorrectly giving the impression that someone is getting paid?
    - vokep 7y ago
      Yes, except when that person doesn't get paid, instead Brave gets that money.
      - atomical 7y ago
        That's not true. The tokens are returned the user. Those tokens may come from the User Growth Pool as well.
s_dev 7y ago
I'm far more sceptical of Google. Brave's movitvation is to supply privacy compliant browser as an alternative to Chrome. Google's motivation is to sell ads and hoard data on people.
- tssva 7y ago
  Brave's motivation is to push people to use their browser in order to further their extortion based business model.
  - s_dev 7y ago
    > Brave's motivation is to push people to use their browser in order to further their extortion based business model. Thats Google. Google store information on you -- Brave don't really have data centres of peoples search history and profile info. My big problem with Brave is -- it just simply isn't a good browser yet. It doesn't work properly with lots of sites I use e.g. teamwork.com
  - prepend 7y ago
    What’s their extortion based business model? I thought their deal was they pay sites with their schrutebucks based on user monthly pay-in (ie, I pay $10/month, I spend 50% of my time on HN, therefore HN gets $5 minus Brave’s 30% or whatever).
    - tssva 7y ago
      If participation in the program was purely under completely voluntary terms then it would be fine but it isn't. Instead Brave extorts sites to participate in their program by blocking their current funding method and forcing Brave's terms upon them if they want to recover some of the lost revenue.
      - iscrewyou 7y ago
        Sounds like a court case waiting to happen...
nizmow 7y ago
You can use Firefox.
- josefx 7y ago
  Firefox uses Google Analytics in web based parts of its UI.
  - __HYde 7y ago
    Use PaleMoon, Basilisk, or IceCat.
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downandout 7y ago
Their motives here are not questionable. Everyone knows exactly what their motives are. Google makes Chrome, a competitor to Brave. Also, Brave’s whole schtick is that it is better on privacy than other browsers. So their motive to make this complaint was simple and self-serving: they are trying to take their competitor down and use the publicity from it to boost their business. This isn’t the first abuse of GDPR by a jealous competitor, and it won’t be the last. Intentionally or not, GDPR was designed in a way that will drive complaints and cross complaints by competitors large and small, across the world. As companies realize how easy it is to weaponize GDPR to impose significant defense costs on competitors at no cost to themselves, regardless of the legitimacy of their complaint, filing such complaints will become a competitive necessity.
- _eht 7y ago
  You should learn more about Brave. Those were two large paragraphs full of ignorance.
  - downandout 7y ago
    Are they not competing with Chrome? Also, you literally raised the exact same concern I did in another comment: ”Brave, I wish I liked you more. As much as I am cautious with trusting Google, your motives and history are somehow more questionable to me.” https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19990086 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19990086 You seem to agree with me, at least when you aren’t replying to a comment of mine. Where is the disconnect here?

Brave, I wish I liked you more. As much as I am cautious with trusting Google, your motives and history are somehow more questionable to me.

by _eht 7y ago

Brave, I wish I liked you more. As much as I am cautious with trusting Google, your motives and history are somehow more questionable to me.

ListeningPie 7y ago

What in Brave’s history and motives are questionable?

blackbrokkoli 7y ago
Some time ago there was a scandal because apparently they create profiles for content creators which aren't signed up on their platform and accept money on their behalf. Afterwards Brave spouted very dubious arguments with things like ominous legalese to HN comments with an "trust us, we're nerds too" vibe. From a cynical perspective, it looked a lot like smoke and mirrors from an entity currently sitting on a pile of money acquired by impersonating people.
- pergadad 7y ago
  Isn't this anyway their own tokens? So no matter whether the providers do have an own account or not, if they don't cash it out then there's no cost to brave. So its.just that they were incorrectly giving the impression that someone is getting paid?
  - vokep 7y ago
    Yes, except when that person doesn't get paid, instead Brave gets that money.
    - atomical 7y ago
      That's not true. The tokens are returned the user. Those tokens may come from the User Growth Pool as well.

s_dev 7y ago

I'm far more sceptical of Google. Brave's movitvation is to supply privacy compliant browser as an alternative to Chrome. Google's motivation is to sell ads and hoard data on people.

tssva 7y ago
Brave's motivation is to push people to use their browser in order to further their extortion based business model.
- s_dev 7y ago
  > Brave's motivation is to push people to use their browser in order to further their extortion based business model. Thats Google. Google store information on you -- Brave don't really have data centres of peoples search history and profile info. My big problem with Brave is -- it just simply isn't a good browser yet. It doesn't work properly with lots of sites I use e.g. teamwork.com
- prepend 7y ago
  What’s their extortion based business model? I thought their deal was they pay sites with their schrutebucks based on user monthly pay-in (ie, I pay $10/month, I spend 50% of my time on HN, therefore HN gets $5 minus Brave’s 30% or whatever).
  - tssva 7y ago
    If participation in the program was purely under completely voluntary terms then it would be fine but it isn't. Instead Brave extorts sites to participate in their program by blocking their current funding method and forcing Brave's terms upon them if they want to recover some of the lost revenue.
    - iscrewyou 7y ago
      Sounds like a court case waiting to happen...

nizmow 7y ago

You can use Firefox.

josefx 7y ago
Firefox uses Google Analytics in web based parts of its UI.
- __HYde 7y ago
  Use PaleMoon, Basilisk, or IceCat.

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downandout 7y ago

Their motives here are not questionable. Everyone knows exactly what their motives are. Google makes Chrome, a competitor to Brave. Also, Brave’s whole schtick is that it is better on privacy than other browsers. So their motive to make this complaint was simple and self-serving: they are trying to take their competitor down and use the publicity from it to boost their business. This isn’t the first abuse of GDPR by a jealous competitor, and it won’t be the last. Intentionally or not, GDPR was designed in a way that will drive complaints and cross complaints by competitors large and small, across the world. As companies realize how easy it is to weaponize GDPR to impose significant defense costs on competitors at no cost to themselves, regardless of the legitimacy of their complaint, filing such complaints will become a competitive necessity.

_eht 7y ago
You should learn more about Brave. Those were two large paragraphs full of ignorance.
- downandout 7y ago
  Are they not competing with Chrome? Also, you literally raised the exact same concern I did in another comment: ”Brave, I wish I liked you more. As much as I am cautious with trusting Google, your motives and history are somehow more questionable to me.” https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19990086 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19990086 You seem to agree with me, at least when you aren’t replying to a comment of mine. Where is the disconnect here?