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"(initially i tried methylphenidate (ritalin) but it was a little too "up and down" for me, it seemed to tail off before my next dose was due but i then switche

"(initially i tried methylphenidate (ritalin) but it was a little too "up and down" for me, it seemed to tail off before my next dose was due but i then switched to lisdexamphetamine (Elvanse/Vyvanse) which has proven incredibly effective)" As an example of how Your Mileage May Vary, methylphenidate works well for me, but Vyvanse made my porn viewing skyrocket.

kls 7y ago
Agreed Adderall (and to a lesser extent Ritalin) turns me into a raging nympho but also made certain parts not work (pretty crappy biological joke if you ask me), due to the fact that Adderall is a blend of both left and right amphetamines. The left amphetamines stimulate the peripheral nervous system which is why some may experience sexual side effects like impotence as well as more cardiovascular side effects. As well as provoke panic attacks in people with anxiety disorders (which I fall into). My doc switched me to Desoxyn and it's night and day, it is like I have a laser in my mind and can focus it on anything I decide to focus it on. It has far less of that Adderall punch to the back of the head when it kicks in, and more of the calming but alert effect that one gets from the right handed amphetamines in Adderall. I cannot understand for the life of me why Desoxyn is not the front line medicine for ADD and ADHD It took a long time for me to get a proper diagnosis as sometime ADD can look like depression because of the lack of emotional control as well as just plain beating yourself up for not getting stuff done and not being able to get started. But for me it has been a life change and for the better. I started abusing nicotine at and early age and after that any time I would quit I would have a fog in my head that never went away (quit for 5 years once and had it every day). I eventually resigned to the fact that maybe I just permanently damaged my brain and now it would never function correctly in the absence of nicotine. Little did I know I was self medication and just did not realize that the fog was baseline me. With proper diagnosis and medication I can forgo nicotine and I am still completely clear. The meds make me 10x clearer than nicotine ever did.
- eigenstuff 7y ago
  Dying jealous of your Desoxyn rx, I've been on Dexedrine my whole life (after trying everything and always crawling back to it) but my shrink would never let me try Desoxyn. Desoxyn is not front of the line because it's literally methamphetamine lol.
  - kls 7y ago
    Personal note, if I had to go back to a amphetamine other than Desoxyn I would go back to Dexedrine. Honestly you are not missing much between Desoxyn and Dexedrine other than the PNS is a little more stimulated with Dexedrine. Desoxyn does have some serotogenic effects so it does cause a little more of the calming effect that these meds have on those of us with ADD and ADHD. In several studies it has been shown that methamphetamine is no more of less additive than dextroamphetamine the main difference is that methamphetamine crosses the blood brain barrier more efficiently than dextroamphetamine so there is less in the body to stimulate the PNS and more in the brain to stimulate the CNS. 10mg of Desoxyn is more effective for me than a 30mg dose of Adderall. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3475187/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3475187/ At same doses methamphetamine is stronger but generally in therapeutic doses one will be prescribed 1/3 to 1/2 the dose of amphetamines. Also to note, Desoxyn is pharmaceutical grade methamphetamine it is not street meth and certainly not crystallized meth. It is a disservice that even some MD's view this stuff in the same light as street meth. A good read on the comparison of amphetamines: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2014/02/20/hyperbole-hurts-the-surprising-truth-about-methamphetamine/#43a17dad29f1 https://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2014/02/20/hyperbol... As far as your doc, go in informed, and state your case, I talked to my doc, it helps that my wife is a MD as well, so I have a lot of access to medical journals to research. I went in with the info, presented it to my doc and told him that I would like to try Desoxyn because PNS stimulation has been an issue for me on many of the other drugs and basically I told him, look if I have to choose between my mind and my willy, old willy is going to win every time. All of the other meds worked well for me as far as ADD was concerned, but living with drug induced impotence is certainly going to create other psychological issues down the road and when you combine it with the fact that most of this class of medication increases my drive, it is a recipe for disaster. I just went in, armed with information and laid out the case for what I wanted to try to see if it would eliminate another potential issue from manifesting. If your doc won't listen to reason, find another doc, above all you should be the biggest advocate for your health.
- kls 7y ago
  Just one correction to my above post (it's too late to edit) PNS is parasympathetic nervous system not peripheral nervous system.
- jonhendry18 7y ago
  Yeah, tried Strattera and it kind of messed up the, um, timing, of my funtimes plumbing. Vyvanse did a bit of that as well.
  - mickelsen 7y ago
    I need help with this, it's affecting my relationship. Any workarounds that don't involve little blue friends?
    - jonhendry18 7y ago
      Nope, I just stopped using it. Sorry. Not sure blue friends would help. It was about stuff happening early and late, rather than not being able to get it up.
    - kls 7y ago
      What have you tried? that would be the first question. If you have this issue with these class of meds I would personally ask to be switched to Dexedrine first and if that does not work I would try Desoxyn.
- gaspoweredcat 7y ago
  wow desoxyn is a pretty powerful chemical (if memory serves its pharmaceutical methamphetamine) just getting elvanse was a struggle for me and its not enough that ive stopped backing it up with cigs and coffee, i wouldnt think id need to go to the level of desoxyn but a slightly higher dose on my elvanse would likely help me however theyre reluctant enough to give me the dose i have let alone increase it

kls 7y ago

Agreed Adderall (and to a lesser extent Ritalin) turns me into a raging nympho but also made certain parts not work (pretty crappy biological joke if you ask me), due to the fact that Adderall is a blend of both left and right amphetamines. The left amphetamines stimulate the peripheral nervous system which is why some may experience sexual side effects like impotence as well as more cardiovascular side effects. As well as provoke panic attacks in people with anxiety disorders (which I fall into). My doc switched me to Desoxyn and it's night and day, it is like I have a laser in my mind and can focus it on anything I decide to focus it on. It has far less of that Adderall punch to the back of the head when it kicks in, and more of the calming but alert effect that one gets from the right handed amphetamines in Adderall. I cannot understand for the life of me why Desoxyn is not the front line medicine for ADD and ADHD It took a long time for me to get a proper diagnosis as sometime ADD can look like depression because of the lack of emotional control as well as just plain beating yourself up for not getting stuff done and not being able to get started. But for me it has been a life change and for the better. I started abusing nicotine at and early age and after that any time I would quit I would have a fog in my head that never went away (quit for 5 years once and had it every day). I eventually resigned to the fact that maybe I just permanently damaged my brain and now it would never function correctly in the absence of nicotine. Little did I know I was self medication and just did not realize that the fog was baseline me. With proper diagnosis and medication I can forgo nicotine and I am still completely clear. The meds make me 10x clearer than nicotine ever did.

eigenstuff 7y ago
Dying jealous of your Desoxyn rx, I've been on Dexedrine my whole life (after trying everything and always crawling back to it) but my shrink would never let me try Desoxyn. Desoxyn is not front of the line because it's literally methamphetamine lol.
- kls 7y ago
  Personal note, if I had to go back to a amphetamine other than Desoxyn I would go back to Dexedrine. Honestly you are not missing much between Desoxyn and Dexedrine other than the PNS is a little more stimulated with Dexedrine. Desoxyn does have some serotogenic effects so it does cause a little more of the calming effect that these meds have on those of us with ADD and ADHD. In several studies it has been shown that methamphetamine is no more of less additive than dextroamphetamine the main difference is that methamphetamine crosses the blood brain barrier more efficiently than dextroamphetamine so there is less in the body to stimulate the PNS and more in the brain to stimulate the CNS. 10mg of Desoxyn is more effective for me than a 30mg dose of Adderall. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3475187/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3475187/ At same doses methamphetamine is stronger but generally in therapeutic doses one will be prescribed 1/3 to 1/2 the dose of amphetamines. Also to note, Desoxyn is pharmaceutical grade methamphetamine it is not street meth and certainly not crystallized meth. It is a disservice that even some MD's view this stuff in the same light as street meth. A good read on the comparison of amphetamines: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2014/02/20/hyperbole-hurts-the-surprising-truth-about-methamphetamine/#43a17dad29f1 https://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2014/02/20/hyperbol... As far as your doc, go in informed, and state your case, I talked to my doc, it helps that my wife is a MD as well, so I have a lot of access to medical journals to research. I went in with the info, presented it to my doc and told him that I would like to try Desoxyn because PNS stimulation has been an issue for me on many of the other drugs and basically I told him, look if I have to choose between my mind and my willy, old willy is going to win every time. All of the other meds worked well for me as far as ADD was concerned, but living with drug induced impotence is certainly going to create other psychological issues down the road and when you combine it with the fact that most of this class of medication increases my drive, it is a recipe for disaster. I just went in, armed with information and laid out the case for what I wanted to try to see if it would eliminate another potential issue from manifesting. If your doc won't listen to reason, find another doc, above all you should be the biggest advocate for your health.
kls 7y ago
Just one correction to my above post (it's too late to edit) PNS is parasympathetic nervous system not peripheral nervous system.
jonhendry18 7y ago
Yeah, tried Strattera and it kind of messed up the, um, timing, of my funtimes plumbing. Vyvanse did a bit of that as well.
- mickelsen 7y ago
  I need help with this, it's affecting my relationship. Any workarounds that don't involve little blue friends?
  - jonhendry18 7y ago
    Nope, I just stopped using it. Sorry. Not sure blue friends would help. It was about stuff happening early and late, rather than not being able to get it up.
  - kls 7y ago
    What have you tried? that would be the first question. If you have this issue with these class of meds I would personally ask to be switched to Dexedrine first and if that does not work I would try Desoxyn.
gaspoweredcat 7y ago
wow desoxyn is a pretty powerful chemical (if memory serves its pharmaceutical methamphetamine) just getting elvanse was a struggle for me and its not enough that ive stopped backing it up with cigs and coffee, i wouldnt think id need to go to the level of desoxyn but a slightly higher dose on my elvanse would likely help me however theyre reluctant enough to give me the dose i have let alone increase it