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I'm probably going to take a lot of heat from all the young whippersnappers out there for this, but I absolutely love your comment about React. I'm going to sav

by ritty 7y ago

I'm probably going to take a lot of heat from all the young whippersnappers out there for this, but I absolutely love your comment about React. I'm going to save it. It totally describes my experiences with other developers. They want to use React to re-write major portions of our codebase that work perfectly well as is, just because React is super awesome! Can you guess how many of our customers have complained that our website isn't a single page application? I'll give you a hint, it's less than one. The devs will also make little teeny projects that would take less than an hour to write in Vanilla JS and make this big 20 hour development project that has a monolithic codebase that all the sudden needs routers and back button integration and url mangling and gigantic switch statements to draw the correct "page." Oh and don't forget you have to set up all that webpack and and compiling routines so that you can compile all that garbage into other garbage. And then you also have to do that build over and over again for every change. This is JavaScript. Script is in the name. It's not meant to be a compiled language. And contrary to our dev's beliefs, React does not run or draw faster than Vanilla JS, unless you are constantly redrawing the whole page in Vanilla JS, which no one does. I hate React.

tluyben2 7y ago
Well I have 100s (literally because I work a lot with incubated startups) of anecdotes like that; when something is not react but makes bucket loads of money anyway (pro tip; those two things are absolutely not related at all), there will be someone who suggests a rewrite in React (native) for a reason that makes no sense to anyone but the people who are starry-eyed looking at their heros on Youtube giving low-tech presentations but with such an air of superiority. Well they DO work at Facebook (wait was that not some immoral company? Wait, wasn't the first version written in PHP which we all (...) hate here by the robot CEO everybody thinks is slightly insane these days? I guess that doesn't affect the tech now so let's ignore)! Edit: I did not mean the last part sarcastic although it reads like that; I think Zuckerberg is a vastly overrated twat but that or that the product of the company currently sucks (yes yes IMHO, but many people agree and I mean currently; it could be great, but shareholder value) does not have anything todo with technical merit.
folkhack 7y ago
In the United States the management layer doesn't have a clue so if you don't keep up on React, GraphQL, etc etc - you're seen as a curmudgeon. They're not the ones learning it but they're still attending all of the conferences for it and with a non-practiced engineering capability they're back to cargo cult BS. Best to keep learning the new hotness or it's career suicide. Just remember, for almost any 9-5 it's about the _narrative_ of work more than it is about the work. Rewriting/changing huge portions of your already-working tech stack is job security. I truly believe a huge portion of engineers engage in their own "make-work" to justify their existence/paycheck.
- tluyben2 7y ago
  Keeping up with something does not imply showhorning it into using it everywhere but I agree with you.

by ritty 7y ago

tluyben2 7y ago

Well I have 100s (literally because I work a lot with incubated startups) of anecdotes like that; when something is not react but makes bucket loads of money anyway (pro tip; those two things are absolutely not related at all), there will be someone who suggests a rewrite in React (native) for a reason that makes no sense to anyone but the people who are starry-eyed looking at their heros on Youtube giving low-tech presentations but with such an air of superiority. Well they DO work at Facebook (wait was that not some immoral company? Wait, wasn't the first version written in PHP which we all (...) hate here by the robot CEO everybody thinks is slightly insane these days? I guess that doesn't affect the tech now so let's ignore)! Edit: I did not mean the last part sarcastic although it reads like that; I think Zuckerberg is a vastly overrated twat but that or that the product of the company currently sucks (yes yes IMHO, but many people agree and I mean currently; it could be great, but shareholder value) does not have anything todo with technical merit.

folkhack 7y ago

In the United States the management layer doesn't have a clue so if you don't keep up on React, GraphQL, etc etc - you're seen as a curmudgeon. They're not the ones learning it but they're still attending all of the conferences for it and with a non-practiced engineering capability they're back to cargo cult BS. Best to keep learning the new hotness or it's career suicide. Just remember, for almost any 9-5 it's about the _narrative_ of work more than it is about the work. Rewriting/changing huge portions of your already-working tech stack is job security. I truly believe a huge portion of engineers engage in their own "make-work" to justify their existence/paycheck.

tluyben2 7y ago
Keeping up with something does not imply showhorning it into using it everywhere but I agree with you.