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I would never call OP-1 limited. I haven't touched the OP-Z but I doubt I'd think it's "technically limited" as well. I'd say that the OP-1 is probably one of

I would never call OP-1 limited. I haven't touched the OP-Z but I doubt I'd think it's "technically limited" as well. I'd say that the OP-1 is probably one of the better designed musical instruments in the recent past.

TheOtherHobbes 7y ago
TE make toys - finely designed and polished toys supported by a finely designed and polished web site. But still toys. OP-1 has a lot of options that make you feel like you're making music, when in fact you're trapped in an endless round of "What happens if I...?" inside the feature space. Hence the novelty tag. They're not particularly productive instruments, but they can be a fun way to pass an hour or two. A software environment like Max, PD, or Reaktor is much less limited. But the learning curve is much steeper, and the instant gratification factor much lower. And then there are the code-based environments like Supercollider, in which you can implement the OP-1 sequencers and synths with a few lines of code, and easily create your own variations - but the learning curve for non-coders might as well be vertical, and it's not shallow even for experienced coders.
- ingenieros 7y ago
  Jean-Michel Jarre doesn't seem to think it's just a toy, but I guess you are a bigger authority on the subject. https://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2012/05/jarre-synth https://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2012/05/jarre-synth
- shearskill 7y ago
  Your disdain for the device out of the box may be warranted but that could be said for any pre-programmed music device ever released including the Casio keyboard that still takes C batteries but has an adjustable bpm.
- rtkwe 7y ago
  > A software environment like Max, PD, or Reaktor is much less limited. But the learning curve is much steeper, and the instant gratification factor much lower. I think comparing any physical keyboard synth/sequencer to the full desktop software is going to make the device look like a toy in comparison. It's apples and oranges in terms of available power and interface and really purpose.
- vscr 7y ago
  yea... no. https://streamable.com/ued04 https://streamable.com/ued04 made this in bed at 3am last night...like any device people do not put in the work to learn how to use it musically, then claim its a toy. theres tons of threads from people like you on muffwiggler talking about how the minilogue is a toy. nah man, you're just talking out your elbow. you should read up on why Bon Iver ditched bringing his guitar with him on his travels, and replaced it with an op-1.
- reitoei 7y ago
  TE products (particularly the OP1) are used by artists like Radiohead, Bon Iver, Sufjan Stevens, Nine Inch Nails, CHVRCHES, Animal Collective, MGMT.
dillutedfixer 7y ago
I would call it limited. In fact, even Jesper Kouthoofd, the CEO of TE, would call it limited. From PUSH TURN MOVE (an amazing book on UI design in synthesizers) - "And to be creative, you often need many limitations. Suppose you have an endless canvas to work on - the result is that you can't even start." I think the limitations of the OP-1 are one of its strengths. Anyone can dive into it and start making music. And once you really learn the device, you can do some really great stuff with it. I think any artist is made better by limitations. It's when creativity shines. That being said, I think it's current price point is a bit high. I got mine for $899 which I thought was steep, I was literally the last order before they raised the price to $999, then $1099, and now $1299. It's wonderfully built, a lot of fun, but $1300 is a lot. I can't say that I would pay that much for it.

TheOtherHobbes 7y ago

TE make toys - finely designed and polished toys supported by a finely designed and polished web site. But still toys. OP-1 has a lot of options that make you feel like you're making music, when in fact you're trapped in an endless round of "What happens if I...?" inside the feature space. Hence the novelty tag. They're not particularly productive instruments, but they can be a fun way to pass an hour or two. A software environment like Max, PD, or Reaktor is much less limited. But the learning curve is much steeper, and the instant gratification factor much lower. And then there are the code-based environments like Supercollider, in which you can implement the OP-1 sequencers and synths with a few lines of code, and easily create your own variations - but the learning curve for non-coders might as well be vertical, and it's not shallow even for experienced coders.

ingenieros 7y ago
Jean-Michel Jarre doesn't seem to think it's just a toy, but I guess you are a bigger authority on the subject. https://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2012/05/jarre-synth https://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2012/05/jarre-synth
shearskill 7y ago
Your disdain for the device out of the box may be warranted but that could be said for any pre-programmed music device ever released including the Casio keyboard that still takes C batteries but has an adjustable bpm.
rtkwe 7y ago
> A software environment like Max, PD, or Reaktor is much less limited. But the learning curve is much steeper, and the instant gratification factor much lower. I think comparing any physical keyboard synth/sequencer to the full desktop software is going to make the device look like a toy in comparison. It's apples and oranges in terms of available power and interface and really purpose.
vscr 7y ago
yea... no. https://streamable.com/ued04 https://streamable.com/ued04 made this in bed at 3am last night...like any device people do not put in the work to learn how to use it musically, then claim its a toy. theres tons of threads from people like you on muffwiggler talking about how the minilogue is a toy. nah man, you're just talking out your elbow. you should read up on why Bon Iver ditched bringing his guitar with him on his travels, and replaced it with an op-1.
reitoei 7y ago
TE products (particularly the OP1) are used by artists like Radiohead, Bon Iver, Sufjan Stevens, Nine Inch Nails, CHVRCHES, Animal Collective, MGMT.

dillutedfixer 7y ago

I would call it limited. In fact, even Jesper Kouthoofd, the CEO of TE, would call it limited. From PUSH TURN MOVE (an amazing book on UI design in synthesizers) - "And to be creative, you often need many limitations. Suppose you have an endless canvas to work on - the result is that you can't even start." I think the limitations of the OP-1 are one of its strengths. Anyone can dive into it and start making music. And once you really learn the device, you can do some really great stuff with it. I think any artist is made better by limitations. It's when creativity shines. That being said, I think it's current price point is a bit high. I got mine for $899 which I thought was steep, I was literally the last order before they raised the price to $999, then $1099, and now $1299. It's wonderfully built, a lot of fun, but $1300 is a lot. I can't say that I would pay that much for it.