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Kids. The primary reason as I understand it for the lack of kids is simply because it's a trap for women as it is now. Maternity- and child care leave are too

Kids. The primary reason as I understand it for the lack of kids is simply because it's a trap for women as it is now. Maternity- and child care leave are too short. There are extreme shortage of daycare for infants and pre-school children, forcing women to stay home and even give up on their career until the child is old enough to go to/from school themselves. And having 2-3 children pretty much kills any career.

mantas 7y ago
Yet what I see around is men being against having kids. While women do somewhat support the idea. It's definitely not a one-sided issue. But yes, infrastructure is definitely a massive issue. I wonder what would happen if resources that Western europe countries pour into migration would be put for fixing birth rate. Push propaganda on all fronts, put shit ton of money into infrastructure, install new cultural norms...
- chr1 7y ago
  Propaganda usually doesn't work or has the opposite effect. It may be better to pass a law that would link pension of old people to tax paid by young people who have chosen them. This will make having many successful children profitable again. And will restore the role of a family, which is artificially lowered by social services.
barry-cotter 7y ago
> Maternity- and child care leave are too short. There are extreme shortage of daycare for infants and pre-school children, forcing women to stay home and even give up on their career until the child is old enough to go to/from school themselves. This is not the case in Sweden and it has not had any great effects on fertility, which is within spitting distance of its neighbours. If you can’t afford childcare in Sweden the state will pay. Childcare is heavily subsidised and available 24/7 if you have shift work. Tiny effects on fertility. > Cohort Fertility Patterns in the Nordic Countries > Country differences in fertility outcome are generally rather low. Childlessness is highest in Finland and lowest in Norway, and the educational differentials are largest in Norway. Despite such differences, the cohort analyses in many ways support the notion of a common Nordic fertility regime. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/23525308_Cohort_Fertility_Patterns_in_the_Nordic_Countries https://www.researchgate.net/publication/23525308_Cohort_Fer...

mantas 7y ago

Yet what I see around is men being against having kids. While women do somewhat support the idea. It's definitely not a one-sided issue. But yes, infrastructure is definitely a massive issue. I wonder what would happen if resources that Western europe countries pour into migration would be put for fixing birth rate. Push propaganda on all fronts, put shit ton of money into infrastructure, install new cultural norms...

chr1 7y ago
Propaganda usually doesn't work or has the opposite effect. It may be better to pass a law that would link pension of old people to tax paid by young people who have chosen them. This will make having many successful children profitable again. And will restore the role of a family, which is artificially lowered by social services.

barry-cotter 7y ago

> Maternity- and child care leave are too short. There are extreme shortage of daycare for infants and pre-school children, forcing women to stay home and even give up on their career until the child is old enough to go to/from school themselves. This is not the case in Sweden and it has not had any great effects on fertility, which is within spitting distance of its neighbours. If you can’t afford childcare in Sweden the state will pay. Childcare is heavily subsidised and available 24/7 if you have shift work. Tiny effects on fertility. > Cohort Fertility Patterns in the Nordic Countries > Country differences in fertility outcome are generally rather low. Childlessness is highest in Finland and lowest in Norway, and the educational differentials are largest in Norway. Despite such differences, the cohort analyses in many ways support the notion of a common Nordic fertility regime. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/23525308_Cohort_Fertility_Patterns_in_the_Nordic_Countries https://www.researchgate.net/publication/23525308_Cohort_Fer...