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Blocked in China: Twitter, Google, YouTube, Github, The New York Times, Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp, Bloomberg, Tumblr, Signal, Reddit, Netflix, Le Monde, Wi

Blocked in China: Twitter, Google, YouTube, Github, The New York Times, Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp, Bloomberg, Tumblr, Signal, Reddit, Netflix, Le Monde, Wikipedia, Reuters, Dropbox, Bing, Discord, etc., etc., etc. Who started this trade war after all?

eo3x0 7y ago
This doesn’t include the fact that all foreign enterprises in China are actually 51% owned domestically. Tariffs, while severe, are no where close to this extreme protectionism. The US finally decided to bring a knife to a gun fight.
- throwwayhhgbnhd 7y ago
  That’s not true. Tesla in China is a Wholly Foreign-Owned Enterprise.
- dis-sys 7y ago
  what are Apple/Microsoft's domestic partners in China? note that, not talking about Apple's data center partner or Microsoft's cloud partner, just talking about Apple/Microsoft's core business (iphone, mbp, windows, office etc) here.
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- intellix 7y ago
  Yeah I've noticed Github works quite well but Gitlab works but is heavily throttled at night time. It's frustrating cause all of the GFW projects are hosted at GH
throwaway34241 7y ago
Does China gain an advantage, by not using / having access to the same services that the whole rest of the world uses? If they're gaining an advantage that's one thing. I don't want to just take that assumption for granted though. If China is actually harming themselves, I think it might not make sense for the US to copy them because "they did it first".
- ardy42 7y ago
  > Does China gain an advantage, by not using / having access to the same services that the whole rest of the world uses? This is how they gain advantage from that: they develop their own domestic services that their government has total control over. Eventually those services may become good enough to become competitive exports.
  - throwaway34241 7y ago
    If you want to have globally competitive companies, I'm not sure protecting them from global competition is a particularly effective way to achieve that. Brazil has high tariffs on computers etc but that hasn't caused them to develop a competitive tech industry. You're looking at the companies themselves but I think it's also worth considering the users too. If the rest of the world uses Github but China uses a Notgithub that otherwise couldn't compete, that's good for Notgithub but probably bad for the rest of the Chinese tech industry. Just like in Brazil's case, their computer tariffs are good for their domestic computer industry (if it exists), but bad for any other industry that uses computers. It's certainly not obvious to me that protectionism is an overall win. Even if that were the case, the proposal is actually to block US components from China, so it seems like it should support any Chinese competitors for those components since they don't have to compete against Qualcomm etc anymore.
- dis-sys 7y ago
  > Does China gain an advantage, by not using / having access to the same services that the whole rest of the world uses? Of course. Back 15 years ago, no one was developing any serious systems in China, US companies obviously refused to take any real tech to China from day one, what they offer was just some local sales/support jobs, on top of that, you might see a few app dev jobs which are always kept arm's length distance from the know how. By developing all those Chinese domestic services, local developers got the chance to actually working on some state of the art techs.
throwwayhhgbnhd 7y ago
They are not blocked. They refuse to comply with Chinese censorship laws. There is a difference. Not blocked in China: Microsoft, Yahoo, Apple, Tesla, Nike, Adidas, Polo, Gucci, Coach, Channel, Armani, General Motors, Ford, BMW, Mercedes, etc., etc., etc.,
- panarky 7y ago
  > They are not blocked They are absolutely blocked (with the possible exception of Github). > refuse to comply with Chinese censorship laws And Huawei refuses to comply with US economic sanctions laws. > Not blocked in China ... The fact that some US companies do business in China is not evidence of anything. It should be obvious that China denied access to their markets and severely restricted the operations of far more US companies than the US has of Chinese companies. China's attempt to portray itself as a victim in a trade war is transparent bullshit.

eo3x0 7y ago

This doesn’t include the fact that all foreign enterprises in China are actually 51% owned domestically. Tariffs, while severe, are no where close to this extreme protectionism. The US finally decided to bring a knife to a gun fight.

throwwayhhgbnhd 7y ago
That’s not true. Tesla in China is a Wholly Foreign-Owned Enterprise.
dis-sys 7y ago
what are Apple/Microsoft's domestic partners in China? note that, not talking about Apple's data center partner or Microsoft's cloud partner, just talking about Apple/Microsoft's core business (iphone, mbp, windows, office etc) here.

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intellix 7y ago
Yeah I've noticed Github works quite well but Gitlab works but is heavily throttled at night time. It's frustrating cause all of the GFW projects are hosted at GH

throwaway34241 7y ago

Does China gain an advantage, by not using / having access to the same services that the whole rest of the world uses? If they're gaining an advantage that's one thing. I don't want to just take that assumption for granted though. If China is actually harming themselves, I think it might not make sense for the US to copy them because "they did it first".

ardy42 7y ago
> Does China gain an advantage, by not using / having access to the same services that the whole rest of the world uses? This is how they gain advantage from that: they develop their own domestic services that their government has total control over. Eventually those services may become good enough to become competitive exports.
- throwaway34241 7y ago
  If you want to have globally competitive companies, I'm not sure protecting them from global competition is a particularly effective way to achieve that. Brazil has high tariffs on computers etc but that hasn't caused them to develop a competitive tech industry. You're looking at the companies themselves but I think it's also worth considering the users too. If the rest of the world uses Github but China uses a Notgithub that otherwise couldn't compete, that's good for Notgithub but probably bad for the rest of the Chinese tech industry. Just like in Brazil's case, their computer tariffs are good for their domestic computer industry (if it exists), but bad for any other industry that uses computers. It's certainly not obvious to me that protectionism is an overall win. Even if that were the case, the proposal is actually to block US components from China, so it seems like it should support any Chinese competitors for those components since they don't have to compete against Qualcomm etc anymore.
dis-sys 7y ago
> Does China gain an advantage, by not using / having access to the same services that the whole rest of the world uses? Of course. Back 15 years ago, no one was developing any serious systems in China, US companies obviously refused to take any real tech to China from day one, what they offer was just some local sales/support jobs, on top of that, you might see a few app dev jobs which are always kept arm's length distance from the know how. By developing all those Chinese domestic services, local developers got the chance to actually working on some state of the art techs.

throwwayhhgbnhd 7y ago

They are not blocked. They refuse to comply with Chinese censorship laws. There is a difference. Not blocked in China: Microsoft, Yahoo, Apple, Tesla, Nike, Adidas, Polo, Gucci, Coach, Channel, Armani, General Motors, Ford, BMW, Mercedes, etc., etc., etc.,

panarky 7y ago
> They are not blocked They are absolutely blocked (with the possible exception of Github). > refuse to comply with Chinese censorship laws And Huawei refuses to comply with US economic sanctions laws. > Not blocked in China ... The fact that some US companies do business in China is not evidence of anything. It should be obvious that China denied access to their markets and severely restricted the operations of far more US companies than the US has of Chinese companies. China's attempt to portray itself as a victim in a trade war is transparent bullshit.