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Is it really multiculturalism, in either Seattle or Japan? In multiculturalism, immigrants form enclaves that are durable and do not readily assimilate. That'

Is it really multiculturalism, in either Seattle or Japan? In multiculturalism, immigrants form enclaves that are durable and do not readily assimilate. That's not generally what happens in the US -- even second generation immigrant children speak English as a first language and are largely Americanized.

SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
>immigrants form enclaves that are durable and do not readily assimilate. That's not generally what happens in the US I’ve spent some time in Michigan or Minnesota and haven’t taken away the same conclusions. Maybe we could agree or disagree on “generally”.
- rectang 7y ago
  I live in San Diego, 20 miles from the Mexican border. If you want to speak Spanish in Chula Vista or other immigrant enclaves, you'll find plenty of people who speak it. However, the number of second generation immigrants who speak Spanish exclusively is as far as I can tell, negligible. There are just too many benefits to assimilating. This isn't Quebec.
  - wcunning 7y ago
    Speaking in support of the gp's point: Dearborn's community of Middle Easterners (more than just Muslims, also heavily Chaldean) speaks an awful lot of Arabic and not so much English. Similarly, the Chinese community in Ann Arbor is very insular and sticks heavily to Chinese over English. This is not a normative statement to say that this is bad, but in this region there are immigrant groups that aren't assimilating as quickly or thoroughly as groups in other areas. Some of that is enforced temporary-ness in the case of the Chinese community in Ann Arbor, but some of it is the sheer size of the community in Dearborn -- the largest Muslim population in the Western world, not even mentioning the huge Chaldean group. (Might no longer be true after the recent refugee movement into Europe, but was true very recently.)
    - ThrowawayR2 7y ago
      Give it time. How many Polish only speakers do you see in Hamtramck in spite of the large Polish-descended population there?
      - SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
        Do you think that has anything to do with the pols in this case and Mexicans in the GP example - that they are both Christian cultures assimilating into other Christian cultures?
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        ThrowawayR2 7y ago
        You're kidding, right? The Polish, by and large, are staunch Roman Catholics whereas the United States is primarily various Protestant denominations. There's a long, long history of enmity and violence between those branches of Christianity.
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ousta 7y ago
Immigration is the leftist liberal version of slavery. The history of liberals has always been one of contradictions. the long belief of the left, legalizing abortion (I am not against) to the point of making it normal (I am against) but at the same time forcing unwanted father to pay alimony, praising "empowered" women who prefer work and think they are oppressed by patriarchy in a developed country and at the same time treating woman that chose to give their time to raise a family like outcast or even "radicals". those liberals that will turn their countries into an ideology where freedom means myself first and the ability to do anything I want, well those people will finally bring into their countries thousands of thousands of young male immigrants - coming from third world countries where woman have no rights and people that do not fit into the image of heterosexual male are treated at best like their voice do not matter at worst murdered, jailed - those leftists that brought those thousands of males because they felt pity and thought that they needed people to take care of the low paying jobs, calling that giving a chance to underpriviliged africans,asians and eastert europeans, those people will tip them 15% hapily, thinking they did the right thing, and then they will move from the neighborhoods that they created (aka: california) and bring their ideology to places with more traditional values. They will leave because they will be scared of putting their kids into public schools with those other people, sharing the same buildings, having to deal with neighborhood where the main food will be ethnic and people will dress like from their home countries, they will never admit it but you could just tell by looking at their eyes that all they need are some slaves to use for cheap.
mantas 7y ago
Multiculturalism feels more like monoculture where people have different visual features. But "multi" part ends at that. The true multiculturalism would be to embrace different cultures to stay different. Rather than mix to become a single homogeneous global culture. The easiest way to that would be ensuring self-governance for each culture. Which is easiest by ensuring each culture has it's own state. To have it's own state, it'd be easiest for each culture to live separately geographically.
sadris 7y ago
47% of California households do not speak English at home.
- rectang 7y ago
  So? There are still huge benefits to learning English, and so nearly all immigrants do -- within one generation. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/05/21/millions-of-u-s-citizens-dont-speak-english-to-each-other-thats-not-a-problem/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/05/21/milli...

SlowRobotAhead 7y ago

>immigrants form enclaves that are durable and do not readily assimilate. That's not generally what happens in the US I’ve spent some time in Michigan or Minnesota and haven’t taken away the same conclusions. Maybe we could agree or disagree on “generally”.

rectang 7y ago
I live in San Diego, 20 miles from the Mexican border. If you want to speak Spanish in Chula Vista or other immigrant enclaves, you'll find plenty of people who speak it. However, the number of second generation immigrants who speak Spanish exclusively is as far as I can tell, negligible. There are just too many benefits to assimilating. This isn't Quebec.
- wcunning 7y ago
  Speaking in support of the gp's point: Dearborn's community of Middle Easterners (more than just Muslims, also heavily Chaldean) speaks an awful lot of Arabic and not so much English. Similarly, the Chinese community in Ann Arbor is very insular and sticks heavily to Chinese over English. This is not a normative statement to say that this is bad, but in this region there are immigrant groups that aren't assimilating as quickly or thoroughly as groups in other areas. Some of that is enforced temporary-ness in the case of the Chinese community in Ann Arbor, but some of it is the sheer size of the community in Dearborn -- the largest Muslim population in the Western world, not even mentioning the huge Chaldean group. (Might no longer be true after the recent refugee movement into Europe, but was true very recently.)
  - ThrowawayR2 7y ago
    Give it time. How many Polish only speakers do you see in Hamtramck in spite of the large Polish-descended population there?
    - SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
      Do you think that has anything to do with the pols in this case and Mexicans in the GP example - that they are both Christian cultures assimilating into other Christian cultures?
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      - ThrowawayR2 7y ago
        You're kidding, right? The Polish, by and large, are staunch Roman Catholics whereas the United States is primarily various Protestant denominations. There's a long, long history of enmity and violence between those branches of Christianity.
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ousta 7y ago

Immigration is the leftist liberal version of slavery. The history of liberals has always been one of contradictions. the long belief of the left, legalizing abortion (I am not against) to the point of making it normal (I am against) but at the same time forcing unwanted father to pay alimony, praising "empowered" women who prefer work and think they are oppressed by patriarchy in a developed country and at the same time treating woman that chose to give their time to raise a family like outcast or even "radicals". those liberals that will turn their countries into an ideology where freedom means myself first and the ability to do anything I want, well those people will finally bring into their countries thousands of thousands of young male immigrants - coming from third world countries where woman have no rights and people that do not fit into the image of heterosexual male are treated at best like their voice do not matter at worst murdered, jailed - those leftists that brought those thousands of males because they felt pity and thought that they needed people to take care of the low paying jobs, calling that giving a chance to underpriviliged africans,asians and eastert europeans, those people will tip them 15% hapily, thinking they did the right thing, and then they will move from the neighborhoods that they created (aka: california) and bring their ideology to places with more traditional values. They will leave because they will be scared of putting their kids into public schools with those other people, sharing the same buildings, having to deal with neighborhood where the main food will be ethnic and people will dress like from their home countries, they will never admit it but you could just tell by looking at their eyes that all they need are some slaves to use for cheap.

mantas 7y ago

Multiculturalism feels more like monoculture where people have different visual features. But "multi" part ends at that. The true multiculturalism would be to embrace different cultures to stay different. Rather than mix to become a single homogeneous global culture. The easiest way to that would be ensuring self-governance for each culture. Which is easiest by ensuring each culture has it's own state. To have it's own state, it'd be easiest for each culture to live separately geographically.

sadris 7y ago

47% of California households do not speak English at home.

rectang 7y ago
So? There are still huge benefits to learning English, and so nearly all immigrants do -- within one generation. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/05/21/millions-of-u-s-citizens-dont-speak-english-to-each-other-thats-not-a-problem/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/05/21/milli...