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train? unsure, the car i was in... maybe 2 other transients? more nyc subway information than you'll ever need: - nyc has a globally rare subway in that it is

train? unsure, the car i was in... maybe 2 other transients? more nyc subway information than you'll ever need: - nyc has a globally rare subway in that it is 24hrs - you need to be sitting up to sleep on the train, if you lie down you can be removed (was so told by a cop when i was first arrested for sleeping on the train that this is 'the law') - subways run the full length of a track, then back, then swap drivers - when a driver swaps they have to remove everyone from the train so all transients get up and go across the track to the next train that is waiting to drive off - the two longest trains: ORANGE(D,1h-1h15m before driver swap), RED(2,1h30m-2h before driver swap) - meaning you could get about ~1h30m of uninterrupted sleep - that was until i discovered the L train is driven by software and the conductor is there as a failsafe - as such there is a different driver procedure and you can run the train back and forth all day all week without being removed, thats eventually how id get 8h+ nights someone down thread said 480$/mo for tickets, but id rarely pay > why not more? i wondered the same thing, its warm, even in winter, and heavily populated, protecting you from assaults im unsure what percentage of people without places to sleep choose the subway, but there are some options there are shelters, but after my experiences there: caging you in or out after curfew, once shut a lawlessness among the people, being placed in rooms with territorial long termers, structurally and hygienically questionable building; i decided id rather risk the street but it was a winter with a foot of snow on the ground so i tried to sleep in a decommissioned subway stop where there were others sleeping but was woken up by the blunt end of a cop's foot when i explained i thought it was okay to sleep here because i saw others doing the same the cop responded, 'that guys been there 7 years, get the fuck out of here kid' hostels at the time cost about 30$/nt for a bunk in a room with 40 people, in brooklyn, so out of my price range but once i got a job i would stay in one once a week to take a shower > how was that allowed to happen? compassion, human decency, empathy i jape, though thats why, im guessing, most riders accept it as a reality but its probably more to do with poorly handling government resources to address the issue that some people need to sleep sitting up on a subway to have a warm place to rest

shaklee3 7y ago
Very interesting facts. Hope you're doing better.
Mirioron 7y ago
I appreciate your story and hope you're doing better now. I wonder why there's so little done about not only homelessness, but simply shelter. The homeless don't want to get in the way of people and the people don't want the homeless to get in their way. Yet the side with the resources doesn't seem to care to do much about it.
- ummwhat 7y ago
  This is the fundemental reason urban places vote for social programs (Democrat) and rural places vote against them (Republican). Homeless people on subways don't affect people that live on farms. The rural urban divide is rational self interest manifested in politics.
  - kortilla 7y ago
    No, it’s not. You’ll find plenty of dirt poor rural people that would benefit from entitlement programs just as much and they still vote Republican. Similarly, Vermont keeps voting in Sanders despite there not being homeless issues there. Dig deeper.
    - ummwhat 7y ago
      First let's dig more shallow. Op asked why we don't do anything if everyone involved wants something done. The answer is we vote for it and we do do something. It just so happens the severity of the homeless problem is in equilibrium with political will. Now to dig deeper. >You’ll find plenty of dirt poor rural people that would benefit from entitlement programs just as much. The big difference is in an urban area even the non homeless want to solve homelessness because it's a public nuisance that directly affects them. See any thread here complaining about sf. In rural areas poverty is a much more private problem. As for Vermont, you're cherry picking. By and large it is undeniable that the Republican/Democrat divide follows an urban rural line. The exceptions are parts of the deep South (where the racial divide is more prominent), and parts of the coasts where liberalism is so dominant even the rural areas are blue. I don't know the mechanism for the latter, but if I had to guess I'd say a big part of the rural population in those areas aren't farmers but retired professionals living in mcmansions. I know people like that but let's not get into anecdotes. I'm going to double down here. It's not just attitudes on entitlement programs that are influenced by rational interest among urban and rural residents. Literally every hot button political issue can be understood in these terms. Take guns for instance. Guns in cities are synonymous with gun crime. Owning one is deeply impractical and police response times are fast enough that you don't need one. In a rural area guns are still practical and police response times are slow. Take endowments for the arts. Guess where the all the state subsidized art ends up. Hint: it's not Topeka Kansas. Want me to keep going?
theNJR 7y ago
Thank you for such a thoughtful reply.
Wowfunhappy 7y ago
May I ask why you didn't go to a homeless shelter? NYC is legally required to provide beds to everyone who needs one.

shaklee3 7y ago

Very interesting facts. Hope you're doing better.

Mirioron 7y ago

I appreciate your story and hope you're doing better now. I wonder why there's so little done about not only homelessness, but simply shelter. The homeless don't want to get in the way of people and the people don't want the homeless to get in their way. Yet the side with the resources doesn't seem to care to do much about it.

ummwhat 7y ago
This is the fundemental reason urban places vote for social programs (Democrat) and rural places vote against them (Republican). Homeless people on subways don't affect people that live on farms. The rural urban divide is rational self interest manifested in politics.
- kortilla 7y ago
  No, it’s not. You’ll find plenty of dirt poor rural people that would benefit from entitlement programs just as much and they still vote Republican. Similarly, Vermont keeps voting in Sanders despite there not being homeless issues there. Dig deeper.
  - ummwhat 7y ago
    First let's dig more shallow. Op asked why we don't do anything if everyone involved wants something done. The answer is we vote for it and we do do something. It just so happens the severity of the homeless problem is in equilibrium with political will. Now to dig deeper. >You’ll find plenty of dirt poor rural people that would benefit from entitlement programs just as much. The big difference is in an urban area even the non homeless want to solve homelessness because it's a public nuisance that directly affects them. See any thread here complaining about sf. In rural areas poverty is a much more private problem. As for Vermont, you're cherry picking. By and large it is undeniable that the Republican/Democrat divide follows an urban rural line. The exceptions are parts of the deep South (where the racial divide is more prominent), and parts of the coasts where liberalism is so dominant even the rural areas are blue. I don't know the mechanism for the latter, but if I had to guess I'd say a big part of the rural population in those areas aren't farmers but retired professionals living in mcmansions. I know people like that but let's not get into anecdotes. I'm going to double down here. It's not just attitudes on entitlement programs that are influenced by rational interest among urban and rural residents. Literally every hot button political issue can be understood in these terms. Take guns for instance. Guns in cities are synonymous with gun crime. Owning one is deeply impractical and police response times are fast enough that you don't need one. In a rural area guns are still practical and police response times are slow. Take endowments for the arts. Guess where the all the state subsidized art ends up. Hint: it's not Topeka Kansas. Want me to keep going?

theNJR 7y ago

Thank you for such a thoughtful reply.

Wowfunhappy 7y ago

May I ask why you didn't go to a homeless shelter? NYC is legally required to provide beds to everyone who needs one.