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"Muslims in re-education camps sounds a lot like systematic high-rate incarceration of minorities to me." This is a beyond troubling bit of moral relativism.

"Muslims in re-education camps sounds a lot like systematic high-rate incarceration of minorities to me." This is a beyond troubling bit of moral relativism. The difference between 'arbitrary incarceration based on ethnicity' - and 'detention based on reasonable likelihood of committing violent crime' is a mile wide. You're literally comparing the rounding up of an ethnic minority and placement in internment camps, to the fact that there's a higher crime rate in some areas in the US. FYI nothing in your reference indicates necessarily that there is injustice in the bail system, rather there could be changes to create better outcomes.

dv_dt 7y ago
The US incarceration rate is by most estimates four times higher than in China. You can try to dismiss the criticism qualitatively, but quantitatively it's very troubling in the US. Even including estimates for political inceration in China, it seems to go from 118/100k, w/ political prisoners up to 165/100k, whereas the US is 655/100k just outright. Which we try to claim is some form of justice, but is far outside the norms of all other nations (even politically regressive ones). Compared to South Africa the US "imprisons a larger percentage of its black population than South Africa did at the height of apartheid" Few care to admit it, but we basically have race based imprisonment in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_United_States_incarceration_rate_with_other_countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_United_States_in...
- sonnyblarney 7y ago
  That there is a lot of crime in the US is a problem, but it's another thing to argue that such incarceration is not entirely warranted. The US has cultural issues that don't remotely exist in the rest of the civilized world. There are a few dozen 'violence zones' i.e. S. Chicago, Baltimore, New Orleans that are extremely violent, to the point that such violence is unknown in the rest of the civilized world. Only S. America and Africa have spots that compare.
  - dv_dt 7y ago
    We have crime rates no higher than other nations. https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Total-crimes-per-1000 https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Total-...

dv_dt 7y ago

The US incarceration rate is by most estimates four times higher than in China. You can try to dismiss the criticism qualitatively, but quantitatively it's very troubling in the US. Even including estimates for political inceration in China, it seems to go from 118/100k, w/ political prisoners up to 165/100k, whereas the US is 655/100k just outright. Which we try to claim is some form of justice, but is far outside the norms of all other nations (even politically regressive ones). Compared to South Africa the US "imprisons a larger percentage of its black population than South Africa did at the height of apartheid" Few care to admit it, but we basically have race based imprisonment in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_United_States_incarceration_rate_with_other_countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_United_States_in...

sonnyblarney 7y ago
That there is a lot of crime in the US is a problem, but it's another thing to argue that such incarceration is not entirely warranted. The US has cultural issues that don't remotely exist in the rest of the civilized world. There are a few dozen 'violence zones' i.e. S. Chicago, Baltimore, New Orleans that are extremely violent, to the point that such violence is unknown in the rest of the civilized world. Only S. America and Africa have spots that compare.
- dv_dt 7y ago
  We have crime rates no higher than other nations. https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Total-crimes-per-1000 https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Total-...