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Your use of the term "evil" says a lot about the warped Western perspective. Without diving too deeply into pedantry, it is the West that claims the cognitively

Your use of the term "evil" says a lot about the warped Western perspective. Without diving too deeply into pedantry, it is the West that claims the cognitively dissonant idea that religiosity is subject to the State while also demanding the State act religiosly (just wars, responsibility to protect, etc.). For all the pseudo-commie bluster, China is a Han ethnostate. Lies that benefit the State are just. Brutality that protects the State is just. China has decided that a Muslim population in its borders requires brutality, and this rubs westerners wrong. China has decided that mass surveillance should be open and accepted, and this rubs westerners wrong. But the West is very comfortable with destabilizing Ghadaffi and instigating regional chaos, which was and continues to be incredibly brutal. The West appears to be quite comfortable with mass surveillance so long as nudes abound, food arrives at our doorsteps, and ideologies we collectively find icky are suppressed. Moralising is a habit of those who lack the strength and/or will to get what they desire through other means. The West dethroned its warriors and elevated its priests; China is dethroning its priests and raising up its warriors. Time will tell which class of leader shall overcome, but history is pretty clear about what kind of societies rise or fall.

_bxg1 7y ago
Speak for yourself. I'm not comfortable with mass surveillance. There's little I find intolerably "icky". It's not even the "Communist" in China's Communist Party that I see as evil; I consider myself a democratic socialist. The fact that I live in a flawed society doesn't mean I can't condemn blatant censorship and concentration camps. Honestly, parts of your comment make you sound like a sociopath.
- hurrdurr2 7y ago
  It's not exactly sociopathic to point out the hypocrisy of the US standing on some kind of moral high ground while blowing up whole countries and killing millions of people directly or indirectly.
  - _bxg1 7y ago
    Sure. This is the part I was referring to: > Moralising is a habit of those who lack the strength and/or will to get what they desire through other means. America isn't a very good world citizen in 2019. I honestly wouldn't take issue with a different world power taking the lead if its ruling party weren't even worse. But rest assured, the people in charge of China right now are indeed worse. And my own country's problems don't change the atrocities that they commit.
    - classicsnoot 7y ago
      Democratic Socialism is socialism, and socialism always finds a way to murder people and increase poverty in the name of equality. Socialism is a deeply religious belief. It has its priests (professors, journalists, entertainers), its churches (campuses, museums, protests and benefit rallies as outdoor/big tent revival analog), its core beliefs predicated on faith that unite the fervent and ostracize the skeptical (diversity is always beneficial, climate change is the fault of the successful, racism is original sin, privilege creates winners and losers in spite of actual value, religions of the oppressed are blameless, etc.), and its intangible and perpetually just beyond The horizon utopia. In every important way, socialism is a religion. It has a general hate for "gods" which functions as a smoke screen for the incorporation of American Protestantism into its modern day Progressive skin suit. You can see the energy of the faithful when technical questions are provided emotional responses, when differing opinions about generalities are met with personal assertions regarding psychological well being ('burn the hetetic' transmogrified into 'you need medical attention because you have (x)-pathy), and, always everpresent in Leftward arguments,appeals to authority that the one appealing doesn't recognize.
      - dragonwriter 7y ago
        > Democratic Socialism is socialism US-style “democratic socialism” isn't consistently, except perhaps from a cladistic viewpoint; a lot of it is substantively social democracy which is more of an ideological commitment to the modern mixed economy then an actual socialism. > and socialism always finds a way to murder people and increase poverty in the name of equality. I think (assuming you are arguing in good faith) you are falsely generalizing from Leninism and it's descendants with socialism. While at least cladistically a subset of socialism, Leninism and it's offshoots is a narrower and particular subset from which generalizations about the broader set cannot validly be drawn. > Socialism is a deeply religious belief No more or less than capitalism is.

_bxg1 7y ago

Speak for yourself. I'm not comfortable with mass surveillance. There's little I find intolerably "icky". It's not even the "Communist" in China's Communist Party that I see as evil; I consider myself a democratic socialist. The fact that I live in a flawed society doesn't mean I can't condemn blatant censorship and concentration camps. Honestly, parts of your comment make you sound like a sociopath.

hurrdurr2 7y ago
It's not exactly sociopathic to point out the hypocrisy of the US standing on some kind of moral high ground while blowing up whole countries and killing millions of people directly or indirectly.
- _bxg1 7y ago
  Sure. This is the part I was referring to: > Moralising is a habit of those who lack the strength and/or will to get what they desire through other means. America isn't a very good world citizen in 2019. I honestly wouldn't take issue with a different world power taking the lead if its ruling party weren't even worse. But rest assured, the people in charge of China right now are indeed worse. And my own country's problems don't change the atrocities that they commit.
  - classicsnoot 7y ago
    Democratic Socialism is socialism, and socialism always finds a way to murder people and increase poverty in the name of equality. Socialism is a deeply religious belief. It has its priests (professors, journalists, entertainers), its churches (campuses, museums, protests and benefit rallies as outdoor/big tent revival analog), its core beliefs predicated on faith that unite the fervent and ostracize the skeptical (diversity is always beneficial, climate change is the fault of the successful, racism is original sin, privilege creates winners and losers in spite of actual value, religions of the oppressed are blameless, etc.), and its intangible and perpetually just beyond The horizon utopia. In every important way, socialism is a religion. It has a general hate for "gods" which functions as a smoke screen for the incorporation of American Protestantism into its modern day Progressive skin suit. You can see the energy of the faithful when technical questions are provided emotional responses, when differing opinions about generalities are met with personal assertions regarding psychological well being ('burn the hetetic' transmogrified into 'you need medical attention because you have (x)-pathy), and, always everpresent in Leftward arguments,appeals to authority that the one appealing doesn't recognize.
    - dragonwriter 7y ago
      > Democratic Socialism is socialism US-style “democratic socialism” isn't consistently, except perhaps from a cladistic viewpoint; a lot of it is substantively social democracy which is more of an ideological commitment to the modern mixed economy then an actual socialism. > and socialism always finds a way to murder people and increase poverty in the name of equality. I think (assuming you are arguing in good faith) you are falsely generalizing from Leninism and it's descendants with socialism. While at least cladistically a subset of socialism, Leninism and it's offshoots is a narrower and particular subset from which generalizations about the broader set cannot validly be drawn. > Socialism is a deeply religious belief No more or less than capitalism is.