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This is basically the government discouraging family oriented people (perhaps the exact model immigrants that most countries want).

by NTDF9 7y ago

nonamechicken 7y ago
Considering that 93 percent of the approximately 100,000 H4 spouses are women from India, its clear at whom it is targeted. And the changes in h1b seems to be working as indented. >The US is no longer seen as a plum posting by senior IT services employees (of Indian IT companies). https://www.livemint.com/opinion/columns/opinion-how-it-service-firms-can-adapt-to-the-h-1b-visa-squeeze-1558341524290.html https://www.livemint.com/opinion/columns/opinion-how-it-serv... >IT giant Infosys recently blamed the denial of H-1B visas by United States (US) for part of its growing employee attrition and said that it would introduce a "new value proposition" to help retain employees. https://www.businesstoday.in/sectors/jobs/infosys-h1b-visa-employee-attrition-infosys-blames-h-1b-visa-denials-for-high-attrition/story/337437.html https://www.businesstoday.in/sectors/jobs/infosys-h1b-visa-e...
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- dominotw 7y ago
  > IT giant Infosys recently blamed the denial of H-1B visas by United States (US) for part of its growing employee attrition lol so funny. their main perk was chance to get h-1b visa and to blame us govt for not giving it to them.
  - nonamechicken 7y ago
    I don't think they were blaming the government. Just citing it as one of the issues in their quarterly shareholder report. One of the main ways these companies retain people was this: give the employee promise of onsite deputation if you work for 1-2 years in this project. Now the companies are forced to give them a decent raise or promotion or better projects. It sucks for 2 people I know who had been working like that for the last 3-4 years. Their work day usually ends at midnight and sometimes 1 am-2am (instead of 6.45 pm). They stayed in that project because they thought one day they could go to US. Their employer applied for their visas, but got denied.
    - dominotw 7y ago
      ah gotcha. sorry i misread your comment.
tropo 7y ago
It's the other way, if we consider "family" to be more than a couple. Actual family-oriented people would have a full-time homemaker.
- viraptor 7y ago
  That is a pretty outdated concept. It's one approach, but you really don't have to have a stay-at-home-parent to be family-oriented.
- eropple 7y ago
  That's some really mendacious stuff given how expensive having that family gets to be these days.
  - souprock 7y ago
    It is far from being mendacious. I'm doing exactly that, with a family of 13 people (12th kid due soon!) on one income. Yes, it is expensive, but aren't these H-1B people supposed to have rare and special skills that are worth a lot? All I have is a Bachelor's degree in Computer Science. If I can afford 11 kids on one income, surely these people with advanced degrees can afford more. At some point... how fertile can you be? One income should do.
    - klipt 7y ago
      I assume you don't live in the Bay Area? My wife and I both have high paying jobs and we currently live in a 2 bedroom apartment with just one baby. Can't imagine affording anything big enough to fit 11 kids in the Bay Area right now...
      - brewdad 7y ago
        It's really not that much more. You only need one additional bedroom. One for the parents, one for the boy children, and one for the girls. Living the American Dream.
      - 7y ago
dominotw 7y ago
this only make sense if we also remove 'is he stealing american job' verification step (LCA) for h1b. otherwise its just weird to do you bunch of checks for h1 candidate and not do any checks for the spouse when they are potentially doing the same job. If someone is working on h4 then they should be able to get own h1b otherwise they are "stealing an american job" by definition.
- klipt 7y ago
  Well that's the way green cards work. Only one spouse needs to pass the Labor Certification (LC) but both spouses get green cards and can work any job. The H4 work permission was basically a stopgap for Indian citizens who should have gotten green cards years ago but didn't because of processing backlogs.

This is basically the government discouraging family oriented people (perhaps the exact model immigrants that most countries want).

by NTDF9 7y ago

This is basically the government discouraging family oriented people (perhaps the exact model immigrants that most countries want).

nonamechicken 7y ago

Considering that 93 percent of the approximately 100,000 H4 spouses are women from India, its clear at whom it is targeted. And the changes in h1b seems to be working as indented. >The US is no longer seen as a plum posting by senior IT services employees (of Indian IT companies). https://www.livemint.com/opinion/columns/opinion-how-it-service-firms-can-adapt-to-the-h-1b-visa-squeeze-1558341524290.html https://www.livemint.com/opinion/columns/opinion-how-it-serv... >IT giant Infosys recently blamed the denial of H-1B visas by United States (US) for part of its growing employee attrition and said that it would introduce a "new value proposition" to help retain employees. https://www.businesstoday.in/sectors/jobs/infosys-h1b-visa-employee-attrition-infosys-blames-h-1b-visa-denials-for-high-attrition/story/337437.html https://www.businesstoday.in/sectors/jobs/infosys-h1b-visa-e...

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dominotw 7y ago
> IT giant Infosys recently blamed the denial of H-1B visas by United States (US) for part of its growing employee attrition lol so funny. their main perk was chance to get h-1b visa and to blame us govt for not giving it to them.
- nonamechicken 7y ago
  I don't think they were blaming the government. Just citing it as one of the issues in their quarterly shareholder report. One of the main ways these companies retain people was this: give the employee promise of onsite deputation if you work for 1-2 years in this project. Now the companies are forced to give them a decent raise or promotion or better projects. It sucks for 2 people I know who had been working like that for the last 3-4 years. Their work day usually ends at midnight and sometimes 1 am-2am (instead of 6.45 pm). They stayed in that project because they thought one day they could go to US. Their employer applied for their visas, but got denied.
  - dominotw 7y ago
    ah gotcha. sorry i misread your comment.

tropo 7y ago

It's the other way, if we consider "family" to be more than a couple. Actual family-oriented people would have a full-time homemaker.

viraptor 7y ago
That is a pretty outdated concept. It's one approach, but you really don't have to have a stay-at-home-parent to be family-oriented.
eropple 7y ago
That's some really mendacious stuff given how expensive having that family gets to be these days.
- souprock 7y ago
  It is far from being mendacious. I'm doing exactly that, with a family of 13 people (12th kid due soon!) on one income. Yes, it is expensive, but aren't these H-1B people supposed to have rare and special skills that are worth a lot? All I have is a Bachelor's degree in Computer Science. If I can afford 11 kids on one income, surely these people with advanced degrees can afford more. At some point... how fertile can you be? One income should do.
  - klipt 7y ago
    I assume you don't live in the Bay Area? My wife and I both have high paying jobs and we currently live in a 2 bedroom apartment with just one baby. Can't imagine affording anything big enough to fit 11 kids in the Bay Area right now...
    - brewdad 7y ago
      It's really not that much more. You only need one additional bedroom. One for the parents, one for the boy children, and one for the girls. Living the American Dream.
    - 7y ago

dominotw 7y ago

this only make sense if we also remove 'is he stealing american job' verification step (LCA) for h1b. otherwise its just weird to do you bunch of checks for h1 candidate and not do any checks for the spouse when they are potentially doing the same job. If someone is working on h4 then they should be able to get own h1b otherwise they are "stealing an american job" by definition.

klipt 7y ago
Well that's the way green cards work. Only one spouse needs to pass the Labor Certification (LC) but both spouses get green cards and can work any job. The H4 work permission was basically a stopgap for Indian citizens who should have gotten green cards years ago but didn't because of processing backlogs.