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I'd suggest going an extra step: keep the imagery of you and your family out of the cloud altogether. Spending a decade in adtech, ML, and behavior targeting s

I'd suggest going an extra step: keep the imagery of you and your family out of the cloud altogether. Spending a decade in adtech, ML, and behavior targeting scared the willies out of me, and I'm building something for my family to use: https://blog.photostructure.com/introducing-photostructure/ https://blog.photostructure.com/introducing-photostructure/

aeternus 7y ago
I'm not sure that images should be your largest concern. Messaging apps and the sites you visit online are much richer sources of data for adtech and ML.
- mceachen 7y ago
  I agree that messaging apps (including gmail) are used to enrich the targeting cloud for a given user, but many use a secure-ish app by default (iMessage). Also, if you use an adblocker (like ublock origin), those should mostly muzzle pixel beacons. The metadata you can pull from a series of images is remarkable. Did you know that most smartphones from the last 7 years will encode not just GPS coordinates, but the compass heading of the lens? Just from that stream, you know (most likely) where the person lives, works, and spends time. Throw in face detection and you know who else lives at your home, and who your coworkers are. It's a metadata treasure chest.
  - jjeaff 7y ago
    Plus, with as high resolution as cameras are now, you could even identify some of the products and brands in their house, estimate taste and income based on interior finishes and visible products. Is that birthday cake sitting on a granite countertop? Expensive furniture or cheap? KitchenAid mixer in the background? Oh look, a book shelf in the background, lookup all those titles. Bill O'Reilly book, must be conservative. Rachel Maddow books, liberal.... There really is a ton that can be gleaned from just random photos.
- anbop 7y ago
  Advance image processing AI by 1000x (which could happen in 10 years) and the images are much more dangerous.
  - mceachen 7y ago
    I think we're there already. A generic getting-started-with-AI online course will do a reasonable enough job at object detection and identification to be dangerous.
  - TazeTSchnitzel 7y ago
    Facebook already knows who your friends are and what you've been up to even if you have never used the site, because it's seen you in the photos they uploaded.
tomcam 7y ago
Love the copy on that page.
davidcollantes 7y ago
Are you going to use a third party application for backups? How about sharing? The application you are building looks interesting!
- mceachen 7y ago
  > Are you going to use a third party application for backups? macOS, Windows 10, and Ubuntu Desktop all come with built-in, incremental backup solutions that work well (at least for me), so I think that need is taken care of. There are a number of apps on iOS and Android that allow arbitrary folders to be synchronized with a server or NAS. I'm using Resilio Sync, and it seems to work. > How about sharing? I've written a design doc for sharing that I'm about to build out. I'll share it with you. > The application you are building looks interesting! Thanks!

aeternus 7y ago

I'm not sure that images should be your largest concern. Messaging apps and the sites you visit online are much richer sources of data for adtech and ML.

mceachen 7y ago
I agree that messaging apps (including gmail) are used to enrich the targeting cloud for a given user, but many use a secure-ish app by default (iMessage). Also, if you use an adblocker (like ublock origin), those should mostly muzzle pixel beacons. The metadata you can pull from a series of images is remarkable. Did you know that most smartphones from the last 7 years will encode not just GPS coordinates, but the compass heading of the lens? Just from that stream, you know (most likely) where the person lives, works, and spends time. Throw in face detection and you know who else lives at your home, and who your coworkers are. It's a metadata treasure chest.
- jjeaff 7y ago
  Plus, with as high resolution as cameras are now, you could even identify some of the products and brands in their house, estimate taste and income based on interior finishes and visible products. Is that birthday cake sitting on a granite countertop? Expensive furniture or cheap? KitchenAid mixer in the background? Oh look, a book shelf in the background, lookup all those titles. Bill O'Reilly book, must be conservative. Rachel Maddow books, liberal.... There really is a ton that can be gleaned from just random photos.
anbop 7y ago
Advance image processing AI by 1000x (which could happen in 10 years) and the images are much more dangerous.
- mceachen 7y ago
  I think we're there already. A generic getting-started-with-AI online course will do a reasonable enough job at object detection and identification to be dangerous.
- TazeTSchnitzel 7y ago
  Facebook already knows who your friends are and what you've been up to even if you have never used the site, because it's seen you in the photos they uploaded.

tomcam 7y ago

Love the copy on that page.

davidcollantes 7y ago

Are you going to use a third party application for backups? How about sharing? The application you are building looks interesting!

mceachen 7y ago
> Are you going to use a third party application for backups? macOS, Windows 10, and Ubuntu Desktop all come with built-in, incremental backup solutions that work well (at least for me), so I think that need is taken care of. There are a number of apps on iOS and Android that allow arbitrary folders to be synchronized with a server or NAS. I'm using Resilio Sync, and it seems to work. > How about sharing? I've written a design doc for sharing that I'm about to build out. I'll share it with you. > The application you are building looks interesting! Thanks!