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It's not just for home use. China is also exporting their surveillance and social credit technology to Venezuela, Cuba, NK, and even Australia. Those white crow

It's not just for home use. China is also exporting their surveillance and social credit technology to Venezuela, Cuba, NK, and even Australia. Those white crowd control vehicles used by Maduro forces to run over dozens of protestors a few weeks ago? Another tailor-made export. https://nypost.com/2019/05/18/chinas-new-social-credit-system-turns-orwells-1984-into-reality/ https://nypost.com/2019/05/18/chinas-new-social-credit-syste...

flattone 7y ago
nypost?
orhmeh09 7y ago
Could you provide a source for your final two statements? The page that you have linked doesn’t make the same claim.
- drak0n1c 7y ago
  1) Crowd control exports: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics/venezuelan-official-says-chinese-riot-control-gear-averts-casualties-idUSKBN1990YR https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics/venezu... https://docs.house.gov/meetings/FA/FA07/20170913/106398/HHRG-115-FA07-Wstate-EllisR-20170913.pdf https://docs.house.gov/meetings/FA/FA07/20170913/106398/HHRG... 2) Running over of protestors (NSFW): https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article229853509.html https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-base-vehicle/venezuela-national-guard-vehicle-runs-over-protesters-in-caracas-reuters-tv-idUSKCN1S61ZB https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-base-v...
  - chrischen 7y ago
    China also makes NYPD uniforms.
yorwba 7y ago
That article was discussed 2 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19958313 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19958313 It's barely more than a thinly-veiled book ad, though. If you want to learn more about the topic, you're probably better off reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System
stcredzero 7y ago
It's not just for home use. China is also exporting their surveillance and social credit technology to Venezuela, Cuba, NK, and even Australia. On the home front, we have AI recognizers and pattern matching being applied to YouTube videos and comments to prohibit certain words or certain messages because they're "wrongthink." We also let political opponents/activists report on certain words, certain messages, and the use of certain kinds of language. How is that any different from what China is doing, in principle? It's not. It just covers a smaller fraction of the population and culture, for now. Granted, some of the people targeted by these activities are unpleasant and bad people. Not all of them are, however. The organizations and people who do this targeting (through AI recognizers and pattern matching and through taking reports from social media) are problematic for the US in that, 1) no one elected them to do this, 2) the people who control the mechanisms and rules overwhelmingly belong to one political party, and 3) for all that there is little concern demonstrated by those who have the power, over how such power can be abused. Yet, it's already openly acknowledged that the use of and control over such media does have significant political ramifications. Many in China recognize that the power over social media is one-sided, but they don't mind because they consider Uyghur terrorist organizations and people like Falun Gong to be shady troublemakers at best or evil at worst. We in the US and the rest of the west recognize that such unchecked power results in abuses. It's easier to criticize the flaws and quirks of another society, but much harder to recognize when the same exists in our own.
beenBoutIT 7y ago
Being forced to buy inferior Chinese made crowd control vehicles has got to be one of the more terrible aspects of these sanctions. If the guy's still around in 2 years most his subpar fleet won't be.
hndamien 7y ago
Australia? Do you have a reference?

flattone 7y ago

nypost?

orhmeh09 7y ago

Could you provide a source for your final two statements? The page that you have linked doesn’t make the same claim.

drak0n1c 7y ago
1) Crowd control exports: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics/venezuelan-official-says-chinese-riot-control-gear-averts-casualties-idUSKBN1990YR https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics/venezu... https://docs.house.gov/meetings/FA/FA07/20170913/106398/HHRG-115-FA07-Wstate-EllisR-20170913.pdf https://docs.house.gov/meetings/FA/FA07/20170913/106398/HHRG... 2) Running over of protestors (NSFW): https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article229853509.html https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-base-vehicle/venezuela-national-guard-vehicle-runs-over-protesters-in-caracas-reuters-tv-idUSKCN1S61ZB https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-base-v...
- chrischen 7y ago
  China also makes NYPD uniforms.

yorwba 7y ago

That article was discussed 2 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19958313 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19958313 It's barely more than a thinly-veiled book ad, though. If you want to learn more about the topic, you're probably better off reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

stcredzero 7y ago

It's not just for home use. China is also exporting their surveillance and social credit technology to Venezuela, Cuba, NK, and even Australia. On the home front, we have AI recognizers and pattern matching being applied to YouTube videos and comments to prohibit certain words or certain messages because they're "wrongthink." We also let political opponents/activists report on certain words, certain messages, and the use of certain kinds of language. How is that any different from what China is doing, in principle? It's not. It just covers a smaller fraction of the population and culture, for now. Granted, some of the people targeted by these activities are unpleasant and bad people. Not all of them are, however. The organizations and people who do this targeting (through AI recognizers and pattern matching and through taking reports from social media) are problematic for the US in that, 1) no one elected them to do this, 2) the people who control the mechanisms and rules overwhelmingly belong to one political party, and 3) for all that there is little concern demonstrated by those who have the power, over how such power can be abused. Yet, it's already openly acknowledged that the use of and control over such media does have significant political ramifications. Many in China recognize that the power over social media is one-sided, but they don't mind because they consider Uyghur terrorist organizations and people like Falun Gong to be shady troublemakers at best or evil at worst. We in the US and the rest of the west recognize that such unchecked power results in abuses. It's easier to criticize the flaws and quirks of another society, but much harder to recognize when the same exists in our own.

beenBoutIT 7y ago

Being forced to buy inferior Chinese made crowd control vehicles has got to be one of the more terrible aspects of these sanctions. If the guy's still around in 2 years most his subpar fleet won't be.

hndamien 7y ago

Australia? Do you have a reference?