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Honestly, who cares? You're not hurting anyone. Unless you feel you won't be paid appropriately, this isn't illegal or even THAT unethical. If anything, you'll

Honestly, who cares? You're not hurting anyone. Unless you feel you won't be paid appropriately, this isn't illegal or even THAT unethical. If anything, you'll learn something new and come out of this with some really good knowledge. But if you really want to quit over this: listen to your instinct. I wouldn't, but that's me.

markbnj 7y ago
Sure you are. You're hurting all the developers who will have to jump through timed test hoops to prove they know how to do things because the prospective employer has been burned by engineers who lied on their resumes. If you're a consulting company you're hurting all the other consulting companies that do business honestly, and have to try to build good working relations with customers that have been burned by dishonesty like this. In other words, you're hurting everyone, and making everything worse.
nik736 7y ago
You are delusional. How is this NOT unethical?
DanBC 7y ago
> this isn't illegal It's literally fraud.
- JudgeWapner 7y ago
  it's a lie/deceit, but I'm not convinced it's fraud. fraud is: > intentional misrepresentation of material existing fact made by one person to another with knowledge of its falsity and for the purpose of inducing the other person to act, and upon which the other person relies with resulting injury or damage. Everything is fine until "resulting injury or damage". You'd have trouble proving that a guy who falsely said he wrote parallel FizzBuzz with REST API on a 500-client kubernetes rack caused you any harm.
  - DanBC 7y ago
    > upon which the other person relies with resulting injury or damage If he gets a job the wages are damage to the employer. If he gets an interview the time spent interviewing is damage to the employer.
sawmurai 7y ago
If you do this on a project I am working on I will come find you and I will make you debug JavaScript in IE6.
sethammons 7y ago
So single rain drop believes it is to blame for the flood.
NikolaNovak 7y ago
That is fascinating; I am honestly curious whether these are personal, ethical, or cultural differences (or all of the above). * On one hand, I originally hail from a country where majority of population would have absolutely agreed with this - it "doesn't hurt anyone", it's fine, everybody does it. It's also, related or not, one of the countries where people will judge you negatively if you pay your taxes ("what are you, a schmuck??"), if you don't haggle, etc. It's a hard country in hard times and you're expected to do whatever it takes for yourself to come ahead. * On the other hand, I've been living in Canada for 20+ years (not the least because the culture and ethical framework work for me:), and while absolutely definitely "shady stuff happens in unseen corners" and not everybody or every org is honest, on average, I could get a whole chain of workers and management fired if I brought something like this to light. Certainly, the average person in average situation would indicate this is unethical, it directly hurts the people potentially hiring you (as they're literally not getting good as advertised), it indirectly hurts your own company (through reputation etc) and market at large (through inflated requirements and misaligned expectations). It's effectively lying for personal gain. It's wrong. And most people have the luxury of treating it as such. But I also know, as per #1, places where it's just how business is done... :-/
mathgeek 7y ago
> this isn't illegal It's important to take note that if you lie about your educational achievements, you may be breaking the law (depends on the locality).
ilikehurdles 7y ago
Look at the other comments above yours. Several state that they have blanket hiring bans on firms located in regions where this behavior is prevalent. It has direct harm on employability and it's unethical to the point of making your own job prospects extinct.
ThrowawayR2 7y ago
> Honestly, who cares? You're not hurting anyone. Unless you feel you won't be paid appropriately, this isn't illegal or even THAT unethical. Ugh. Attitudes like this are exactly why the software industry will be stuck with stringent developer interviews with coding questions for foreseeable future.
bencollier49 7y ago
It's fraud. If you successfully obtain work on the back of a fraudulent resume which the client later discovers to contain false experience, they can generally sue you for the value of whatever damage your lack of experience could have caused. If a $20m contract falls through, then...
robbyoconnor 7y ago
This is what gives Indians a bad reputation -- seriously? This is disgusting -- stop telling people this.

markbnj 7y ago

Sure you are. You're hurting all the developers who will have to jump through timed test hoops to prove they know how to do things because the prospective employer has been burned by engineers who lied on their resumes. If you're a consulting company you're hurting all the other consulting companies that do business honestly, and have to try to build good working relations with customers that have been burned by dishonesty like this. In other words, you're hurting everyone, and making everything worse.

nik736 7y ago

You are delusional. How is this NOT unethical?

DanBC 7y ago

> this isn't illegal It's literally fraud.

JudgeWapner 7y ago
it's a lie/deceit, but I'm not convinced it's fraud. fraud is: > intentional misrepresentation of material existing fact made by one person to another with knowledge of its falsity and for the purpose of inducing the other person to act, and upon which the other person relies with resulting injury or damage. Everything is fine until "resulting injury or damage". You'd have trouble proving that a guy who falsely said he wrote parallel FizzBuzz with REST API on a 500-client kubernetes rack caused you any harm.
- DanBC 7y ago
  > upon which the other person relies with resulting injury or damage If he gets a job the wages are damage to the employer. If he gets an interview the time spent interviewing is damage to the employer.

sawmurai 7y ago

If you do this on a project I am working on I will come find you and I will make you debug JavaScript in IE6.

sethammons 7y ago

So single rain drop believes it is to blame for the flood.

NikolaNovak 7y ago

That is fascinating; I am honestly curious whether these are personal, ethical, or cultural differences (or all of the above). * On one hand, I originally hail from a country where majority of population would have absolutely agreed with this - it "doesn't hurt anyone", it's fine, everybody does it. It's also, related or not, one of the countries where people will judge you negatively if you pay your taxes ("what are you, a schmuck??"), if you don't haggle, etc. It's a hard country in hard times and you're expected to do whatever it takes for yourself to come ahead. * On the other hand, I've been living in Canada for 20+ years (not the least because the culture and ethical framework work for me:), and while absolutely definitely "shady stuff happens in unseen corners" and not everybody or every org is honest, on average, I could get a whole chain of workers and management fired if I brought something like this to light. Certainly, the average person in average situation would indicate this is unethical, it directly hurts the people potentially hiring you (as they're literally not getting good as advertised), it indirectly hurts your own company (through reputation etc) and market at large (through inflated requirements and misaligned expectations). It's effectively lying for personal gain. It's wrong. And most people have the luxury of treating it as such. But I also know, as per #1, places where it's just how business is done... :-/

mathgeek 7y ago

> this isn't illegal It's important to take note that if you lie about your educational achievements, you may be breaking the law (depends on the locality).

ilikehurdles 7y ago

Look at the other comments above yours. Several state that they have blanket hiring bans on firms located in regions where this behavior is prevalent. It has direct harm on employability and it's unethical to the point of making your own job prospects extinct.

ThrowawayR2 7y ago

> Honestly, who cares? You're not hurting anyone. Unless you feel you won't be paid appropriately, this isn't illegal or even THAT unethical. Ugh. Attitudes like this are exactly why the software industry will be stuck with stringent developer interviews with coding questions for foreseeable future.

bencollier49 7y ago

It's fraud. If you successfully obtain work on the back of a fraudulent resume which the client later discovers to contain false experience, they can generally sue you for the value of whatever damage your lack of experience could have caused. If a $20m contract falls through, then...

robbyoconnor 7y ago

This is what gives Indians a bad reputation -- seriously? This is disgusting -- stop telling people this.