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Guardian often has little "errors" like this.

by ptaipale 7y ago

dvfjsdhgfv 7y ago
To be honest, it doesn't change the argument much.
- hinkley 7y ago
  It's like explaining things to a five year old. It doesn't matter if you 'meant to' kick your sister. You're kicking her and you need to 1) stop, and 2) apologize.
- mrob 7y ago
  I believe this "fact" is included with the deliberate intention of making people angry. If people are angry because they think the US deliberately poisoned Vietnamese people then that anger might transfer over to modern safety regulations. The false information has propaganda value. I support European-style regulations, but I think this is a short-sighted way to argue. Dioxins in cosmetics are bad because of their objective toxicity, not because of emotional associations. Playing up the emotional angle with false information only makes the rest of your arguments look suspicious.
  - pjc50 7y ago
    > the US deliberately poisoned Vietnamese people The US recklessly poisoned people; the Vietnam campaign had a disregard for Vietnamese life. The herbicide campaign, initially intended to clear forest cover, spread to deliberate use against crops to starve the population. The use of napalm was similar in its widespread civilian casualties. https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/vietnams-horrific-legacy-the-children-of-agent-orange/news-story/c008ff36ee3e840b005405a55e21a3e1 https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/vietnams-horrific-legacy-... "Nearly 4.8 million Vietnamese people have been exposed, causing 400,000 deaths; the associated illnesses include cancers, birth defects, skin disorders, auto-immune diseases, liver disorders, psychosocial effects, neurological defects and gastrointestinal diseases." "According to the Red Cross of Vietnam, up to one million people are currently disabled or have health problems due to Agent Orange, 100,000 of which are children." If any of the Nazis had ordered this they would rightly have been put up against a wall and shot.
    - GordonS 7y ago
      Another example was the cluster bombing along the borders of Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos - hundreds of millions of bomblets were dropped, which still kill and maim to this day. This bombing campaign was reckless in the extreme, and with complete disregard for human life - if anyone other than the US had done this, they would have been ostracised and declared war criminals. Some more info on cluster munitions[0], which the US continued to use in more recent times in Iraq and Afghanistan, and AFAIK they still refuse to sign the anti-cluster bomb CCM treaty that around 100 nations have signed. [0] https://fpif.org/the_curse_of_cluster_bombs/ https://fpif.org/the_curse_of_cluster_bombs/

Guardian often has little "errors" like this.

dvfjsdhgfv 7y ago

To be honest, it doesn't change the argument much.

hinkley 7y ago
It's like explaining things to a five year old. It doesn't matter if you 'meant to' kick your sister. You're kicking her and you need to 1) stop, and 2) apologize.
mrob 7y ago
I believe this "fact" is included with the deliberate intention of making people angry. If people are angry because they think the US deliberately poisoned Vietnamese people then that anger might transfer over to modern safety regulations. The false information has propaganda value. I support European-style regulations, but I think this is a short-sighted way to argue. Dioxins in cosmetics are bad because of their objective toxicity, not because of emotional associations. Playing up the emotional angle with false information only makes the rest of your arguments look suspicious.
- pjc50 7y ago
  > the US deliberately poisoned Vietnamese people The US recklessly poisoned people; the Vietnam campaign had a disregard for Vietnamese life. The herbicide campaign, initially intended to clear forest cover, spread to deliberate use against crops to starve the population. The use of napalm was similar in its widespread civilian casualties. https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/vietnams-horrific-legacy-the-children-of-agent-orange/news-story/c008ff36ee3e840b005405a55e21a3e1 https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/vietnams-horrific-legacy-... "Nearly 4.8 million Vietnamese people have been exposed, causing 400,000 deaths; the associated illnesses include cancers, birth defects, skin disorders, auto-immune diseases, liver disorders, psychosocial effects, neurological defects and gastrointestinal diseases." "According to the Red Cross of Vietnam, up to one million people are currently disabled or have health problems due to Agent Orange, 100,000 of which are children." If any of the Nazis had ordered this they would rightly have been put up against a wall and shot.
  - GordonS 7y ago
    Another example was the cluster bombing along the borders of Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos - hundreds of millions of bomblets were dropped, which still kill and maim to this day. This bombing campaign was reckless in the extreme, and with complete disregard for human life - if anyone other than the US had done this, they would have been ostracised and declared war criminals. Some more info on cluster munitions[0], which the US continued to use in more recent times in Iraq and Afghanistan, and AFAIK they still refuse to sign the anti-cluster bomb CCM treaty that around 100 nations have signed. [0] https://fpif.org/the_curse_of_cluster_bombs/ https://fpif.org/the_curse_of_cluster_bombs/