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Would that be before or after all planes are grounded and every building in the US is retrofitted or rebuilt to be more energy efficient in ten years?

frankbreetz 7y ago
Do you have a source for all planes being grounded? And retro fitted can mean a whole spectrum of things from very cheap things to very expensive things.
- fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
  They initially released a document with more detail then the bill and pulled it back when they realized it was insanity. I found a archive of it here: https://www.heartland.org/publications-resources/publications/green-new-deal-fact-sheet-and-faq-from-rep-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-and-sen-edward-markey https://www.heartland.org/publications-resources/publication... Some quotes: "We set a goal to get to net-zero, rather than zero emissions, in 10 years because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast, but we think we can ramp up renewable manufacturing and power production, retrofit every building in America, build the smart grid, overhaul transportation and agriculture, plant lots of trees and restore our ecosystem to get to net-zero." "we also need to start doing new things (like overhauling whole industries or retrofitting all buildings to be energy efficient)." "Totally overhaul transportation by massively expanding electric vehicle manufacturing, build charging stations everywhere, build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary, create affordable public transit available to all, with goal to replace every combustion-engine vehicle" "A Green New Deal is a massive investment in renewable energy production and would not include creating new nuclear plants." "The Green New Deal makes new fossil fuel infrastructure or nuclear plants unnecessary." "Repair and upgrade U.S. infrastructure. ASCE estimates this is $4.6 trillion at minimum." "The level of investment required is massive. Even if every billionaire and company came together and were willing to pour all the resources at their disposal into this investment, the aggregate value of the investments they could make would not be sufficient." "How will you pay for it? The same way we paid for the New Deal, the 2008 bank bailout and extended quantitative easing programs. The same way we paid for World War II and all our current wars. The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit." "Promote justice and equity by stopping current, preventing future, and repairing historic oppression of frontline and vulnerable communities" "Work with farmers and ranchers to create a sustainable, pollution and greenhouse gas free, food system that ensures universal access to healthy food and expands independent family farming" Bonus quote: "That would be pretty hard for Hawaii" - Sen Mazie Hirono on the air travel elimination plan I highly suggest reading the FAQ and the bill (its only 14 pages) if you haven't it is laugh out loud funny.
  - dclowd9901 7y ago
    That's because it was a draft document. In other words, you're pinning everything you're saying on a document that wasn't even done. What, you think this is some kind of "gotcha" moment? Do you really think they'd release an official document about "cows farting"?
    - fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
      If that's the case maybe they should focus on running their small office and get that solid before proposing to restructure the entire economy. They still must be drafting it because I don't see a document to take it's place yet.
  - frankbreetz 7y ago
    I see nothing about grounding all planes unless " doing things to make it unnecessary" is what you mean. That is quite a stretch. Keep in mind if we go down our current path the result is potentially human extinction.
akhilcacharya 7y ago
Retrofitting older buildings is a fantastic idea that isn't terribly expensive in the grand scheme of things.
- fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
  Retrofitting every building in the United States in ten years is what was purposed. The tradespeople I know are all very busy and find it hard to hire in this college focused age. Unemployment is virtually zero. Where will all these able bodied skilled workers come from? (Not to mention the trillions of dollars required)
  - akhilcacharya 7y ago
    You’re taking this literally when you should be taking it seriously. All of those issues will become more important the next time there’s slack in the construction labor market.
    - fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
      If I can't take a policy proposal literally how on earth can I take it seriously?

frankbreetz 7y ago

Do you have a source for all planes being grounded? And retro fitted can mean a whole spectrum of things from very cheap things to very expensive things.

fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
They initially released a document with more detail then the bill and pulled it back when they realized it was insanity. I found a archive of it here: https://www.heartland.org/publications-resources/publications/green-new-deal-fact-sheet-and-faq-from-rep-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-and-sen-edward-markey https://www.heartland.org/publications-resources/publication... Some quotes: "We set a goal to get to net-zero, rather than zero emissions, in 10 years because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast, but we think we can ramp up renewable manufacturing and power production, retrofit every building in America, build the smart grid, overhaul transportation and agriculture, plant lots of trees and restore our ecosystem to get to net-zero." "we also need to start doing new things (like overhauling whole industries or retrofitting all buildings to be energy efficient)." "Totally overhaul transportation by massively expanding electric vehicle manufacturing, build charging stations everywhere, build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary, create affordable public transit available to all, with goal to replace every combustion-engine vehicle" "A Green New Deal is a massive investment in renewable energy production and would not include creating new nuclear plants." "The Green New Deal makes new fossil fuel infrastructure or nuclear plants unnecessary." "Repair and upgrade U.S. infrastructure. ASCE estimates this is $4.6 trillion at minimum." "The level of investment required is massive. Even if every billionaire and company came together and were willing to pour all the resources at their disposal into this investment, the aggregate value of the investments they could make would not be sufficient." "How will you pay for it? The same way we paid for the New Deal, the 2008 bank bailout and extended quantitative easing programs. The same way we paid for World War II and all our current wars. The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit." "Promote justice and equity by stopping current, preventing future, and repairing historic oppression of frontline and vulnerable communities" "Work with farmers and ranchers to create a sustainable, pollution and greenhouse gas free, food system that ensures universal access to healthy food and expands independent family farming" Bonus quote: "That would be pretty hard for Hawaii" - Sen Mazie Hirono on the air travel elimination plan I highly suggest reading the FAQ and the bill (its only 14 pages) if you haven't it is laugh out loud funny.
- dclowd9901 7y ago
  That's because it was a draft document. In other words, you're pinning everything you're saying on a document that wasn't even done. What, you think this is some kind of "gotcha" moment? Do you really think they'd release an official document about "cows farting"?
  - fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
    If that's the case maybe they should focus on running their small office and get that solid before proposing to restructure the entire economy. They still must be drafting it because I don't see a document to take it's place yet.
- frankbreetz 7y ago
  I see nothing about grounding all planes unless " doing things to make it unnecessary" is what you mean. That is quite a stretch. Keep in mind if we go down our current path the result is potentially human extinction.

akhilcacharya 7y ago

Retrofitting older buildings is a fantastic idea that isn't terribly expensive in the grand scheme of things.

fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
Retrofitting every building in the United States in ten years is what was purposed. The tradespeople I know are all very busy and find it hard to hire in this college focused age. Unemployment is virtually zero. Where will all these able bodied skilled workers come from? (Not to mention the trillions of dollars required)
- akhilcacharya 7y ago
  You’re taking this literally when you should be taking it seriously. All of those issues will become more important the next time there’s slack in the construction labor market.
  - fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
    If I can't take a policy proposal literally how on earth can I take it seriously?