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Good thing he didn't, because even in conservative states merely trespassing isn't enough to allow you to use deadly force. Some states allow you to defend prop

Good thing he didn't, because even in conservative states merely trespassing isn't enough to allow you to use deadly force. Some states allow you to defend property (shoot someone stealing), or to shoot someone who when told to leave refuses, but nowhere in America can you shoot someone dead simply for crossing your property line.

michaelt 7y ago
Presumably, a delivery driver looking for a safe place a parcel can be hidden looks a lot like a package thief looking for a safe place a parcel might be hidden?
- daveFNbuck 7y ago
  Did Ice-T say the delivery guy was doing that? I assumed creeping up just meant he was walking toward the house.
xfitm3 7y ago
The law gives property owners the right to defend themselves with a reasonable response. That means any force used against a trespasser must usually be proportionate to harm that is reasonably perceived. For example, Florida lets you open fire on someone forcibly trying to enter your dwelling -- including your attached porch -- but not the rest of your property (such as a yard).
- dsfyu404ed 7y ago
  >including your attached porch The fact that that's called out specifically tells me someone probably spent tens of thousands of dollars on lawyer's fees to get this little tidbit that most would consider obvious hammered out in case law.
mrkstu 7y ago
Kind of. If the property owner believes that he is preventing/stopping another crime (i.e. burglary/theft/criminal mischief) the homicide would be without criminal consequence to the owner. The criminal mischief (at night only) is a pretty broad category and makes it hard to win a prosecution. A 2015 study found that only 2 of 45 shootings claiming self-defense in Texas were even charged...
jstanley 7y ago
Good thing he didn't, because otherwise the guy could have been killed!
raisedbyninjas 7y ago
Conservative states don't always have duty to retreat laws. Even for those that do, dead men tell no tales. Ice T could have just murdered the delivery man then lied about threatening behavior.

michaelt 7y ago

Presumably, a delivery driver looking for a safe place a parcel can be hidden looks a lot like a package thief looking for a safe place a parcel might be hidden?

daveFNbuck 7y ago
Did Ice-T say the delivery guy was doing that? I assumed creeping up just meant he was walking toward the house.

xfitm3 7y ago

The law gives property owners the right to defend themselves with a reasonable response. That means any force used against a trespasser must usually be proportionate to harm that is reasonably perceived. For example, Florida lets you open fire on someone forcibly trying to enter your dwelling -- including your attached porch -- but not the rest of your property (such as a yard).

dsfyu404ed 7y ago
>including your attached porch The fact that that's called out specifically tells me someone probably spent tens of thousands of dollars on lawyer's fees to get this little tidbit that most would consider obvious hammered out in case law.

mrkstu 7y ago

Kind of. If the property owner believes that he is preventing/stopping another crime (i.e. burglary/theft/criminal mischief) the homicide would be without criminal consequence to the owner. The criminal mischief (at night only) is a pretty broad category and makes it hard to win a prosecution. A 2015 study found that only 2 of 45 shootings claiming self-defense in Texas were even charged...

jstanley 7y ago

Good thing he didn't, because otherwise the guy could have been killed!

raisedbyninjas 7y ago

Conservative states don't always have duty to retreat laws. Even for those that do, dead men tell no tales. Ice T could have just murdered the delivery man then lied about threatening behavior.