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Gary Vee is a snake oil salesman. He knows the right things to say and he's incredibly charismatic. But from a business point of view, his hustle-porn guru busi

Gary Vee is a snake oil salesman. He knows the right things to say and he's incredibly charismatic. But from a business point of view, his hustle-porn guru business is way more successful than anything he did previous to that. Sure he's a successful business person but he wasn't something special. It was his "motivational talks" that are his real claim to fame, so he's basically famous for being famous.

mprev 7y ago
My anecdote is that people I come across who quote him tend to have a lot of anxiety and pent-up energy around the idea of wanting to be in business but they don't have an idea, skill, or plan. So, the business proverbs they live by both give them hope and amplify their anxiety that their opportunity is slipping away with each day that they're not hustling.
- SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
  > the idea of wanting to be in business but they don't have an idea, skill, or plan. Speaking as someone who just does what he enjoys doing and ended up with a marginally successful business as a result, I have to say that I genuinely don't get this mindset. Then again I don't "hustle" either. I (and my employees) just write code that solves problems and creates value for bigger businesses and they pay me good money for it.
- lawrenceg 7y ago
  Spot on with this one. Now that I think about it, it makes so much sense thinking of some peeps I know. Never really got GV and usually can't stand people preaching too much to other about success.
mlady 7y ago
Gary Vee only preaches hustle if you're not happy with where you're at. And it isn't necessarily hustle to make more money. It's hustle to do what you want to do so that you are happy. If you are already happy, he just encourages you to "keep doing you".
- onemoresoop 7y ago
  That's a platitude we hear so much that it no longer means anything. I think people crave the validation that their hustle will make them happy. And they hear it so much on so many channels that they confuse it with happiness
- dictum 7y ago
  > Gary Vee only preaches hustle if you're not happy with where you're at. I find this phrase trite and full of significance at the same time. Much of existentialism is an investigation of anguish — the permanent, low-lying anxiety of existing and trying to find meaning in life. This anxiety comes from, and is the process of, realizing one's potential. Thus, anyone who realizes that their current station in life is not the top of their potential is bound to not be happy with where they're at. This is not just in business and money. You can be anxious about not having enough fulfilling friendships or spending meaningful time with your children, or any other thing you value highly. Many people give up on stressful business enterprises, but move their anxiety towards other targets — family life, politics, future events, or specific interests. Conversely, only those who do not realize the gap between their potential and their current situation will be satisfied. The more qualified and diligent you are, the more likely you are to be aware that you're not your best yet. It takes active work ("hustle" of sorts) to be diligent and unworrying: meditation, therapy, etc.
  - mlady 7y ago
    I definitely agree with your assessment. Gary talks about "unworrying" part a lot, actually. Comparison is the thief of joy. If you compare yourself to others or "what you could have been / could still be", you're not gonna be happy with yourself. There is something "zen" about not being too worried/anxious about fulfilling your potential, but yet still driven enough to go out and improve yourself.
slouch 7y ago
He grew his father's liquor store 20x before anyone knew who he was. Your third sentence is a weird way to say he's built upon that early success. As far as, "his real claim to fame," he's responsible for the most recent Planter's Peanuts Superbowl commercial and a pretty big Budweiser basketball campaign. If you think his keynotes have a bigger impact that's a matter than could be debated.
- docker_up 7y ago
  I've been involved in an industry (stock day trading) that is rife with "gurus" like Gary Vee. There are hundreds of gurus that talk with EXTREME confidence and tell you the ways of how to be successful. Gary Vee is exactly like these people. They talk with confidence about how their techniques will work, and they have fans and followers that believe everything they say hook, line, and sinker. And in fact, teaching how to trade is a much more lucrative business than actually trading for these "gurus". Gary Vee is a successful businessman. He built upon an existing business and made it more successful, that's a great accomplishment. I wish I had 10% of his success. But he's not a guru, he is nowhere near elite. Plenty of people have done more impressive things than him but the memes around him being some sort of guru on being an entrepreneur are far more outsized than his actual success. But the way his followers treat him is completely disproportional to what his actual successes are.

mprev 7y ago

My anecdote is that people I come across who quote him tend to have a lot of anxiety and pent-up energy around the idea of wanting to be in business but they don't have an idea, skill, or plan. So, the business proverbs they live by both give them hope and amplify their anxiety that their opportunity is slipping away with each day that they're not hustling.

SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
> the idea of wanting to be in business but they don't have an idea, skill, or plan. Speaking as someone who just does what he enjoys doing and ended up with a marginally successful business as a result, I have to say that I genuinely don't get this mindset. Then again I don't "hustle" either. I (and my employees) just write code that solves problems and creates value for bigger businesses and they pay me good money for it.
lawrenceg 7y ago
Spot on with this one. Now that I think about it, it makes so much sense thinking of some peeps I know. Never really got GV and usually can't stand people preaching too much to other about success.

mlady 7y ago

Gary Vee only preaches hustle if you're not happy with where you're at. And it isn't necessarily hustle to make more money. It's hustle to do what you want to do so that you are happy. If you are already happy, he just encourages you to "keep doing you".

onemoresoop 7y ago
That's a platitude we hear so much that it no longer means anything. I think people crave the validation that their hustle will make them happy. And they hear it so much on so many channels that they confuse it with happiness
dictum 7y ago
> Gary Vee only preaches hustle if you're not happy with where you're at. I find this phrase trite and full of significance at the same time. Much of existentialism is an investigation of anguish — the permanent, low-lying anxiety of existing and trying to find meaning in life. This anxiety comes from, and is the process of, realizing one's potential. Thus, anyone who realizes that their current station in life is not the top of their potential is bound to not be happy with where they're at. This is not just in business and money. You can be anxious about not having enough fulfilling friendships or spending meaningful time with your children, or any other thing you value highly. Many people give up on stressful business enterprises, but move their anxiety towards other targets — family life, politics, future events, or specific interests. Conversely, only those who do not realize the gap between their potential and their current situation will be satisfied. The more qualified and diligent you are, the more likely you are to be aware that you're not your best yet. It takes active work ("hustle" of sorts) to be diligent and unworrying: meditation, therapy, etc.
- mlady 7y ago
  I definitely agree with your assessment. Gary talks about "unworrying" part a lot, actually. Comparison is the thief of joy. If you compare yourself to others or "what you could have been / could still be", you're not gonna be happy with yourself. There is something "zen" about not being too worried/anxious about fulfilling your potential, but yet still driven enough to go out and improve yourself.

slouch 7y ago

He grew his father's liquor store 20x before anyone knew who he was. Your third sentence is a weird way to say he's built upon that early success. As far as, "his real claim to fame," he's responsible for the most recent Planter's Peanuts Superbowl commercial and a pretty big Budweiser basketball campaign. If you think his keynotes have a bigger impact that's a matter than could be debated.

docker_up 7y ago
I've been involved in an industry (stock day trading) that is rife with "gurus" like Gary Vee. There are hundreds of gurus that talk with EXTREME confidence and tell you the ways of how to be successful. Gary Vee is exactly like these people. They talk with confidence about how their techniques will work, and they have fans and followers that believe everything they say hook, line, and sinker. And in fact, teaching how to trade is a much more lucrative business than actually trading for these "gurus". Gary Vee is a successful businessman. He built upon an existing business and made it more successful, that's a great accomplishment. I wish I had 10% of his success. But he's not a guru, he is nowhere near elite. Plenty of people have done more impressive things than him but the memes around him being some sort of guru on being an entrepreneur are far more outsized than his actual success. But the way his followers treat him is completely disproportional to what his actual successes are.