3 ms·

I don't think that is necessarily true. Rust has only one compiler (and I think adding a second one would be a huge effort with no clear win) yet it is develope

I don't think that is necessarily true. Rust has only one compiler (and I think adding a second one would be a huge effort with no clear win) yet it is developed by a community that is very welcoming to newcomers. At least, that's been my experience.

Conan_Kudo 7y ago
It is definitely true. There's virtually no room for improving the underlying compiler toolchain because there's no allowance or support for an alternate implementation (using GCC, for example). Go at least has gcc-go, which is a compliant implementation that gets some benefits from being part of GCC (like not completely broken support for dynamic link libraries!). Having a second compiler implementation forces the language grammar and behavior to be specified in a formal manner that allows anyone to understand how it works.
- the_mitsuhiko 7y ago
  How is there no allowance? A lot of people in the community would love a rust compiler that can compile down to C for instance.
  - anoncake 7y ago
    Maybe the tool chain is hardcoded to use the standard compiler? But that's more likely because of YAGNI, not because the rust community hates freedom.
    - the_mitsuhiko 7y ago
      The toolchain is built on top of rustup which very purpose is managing multiple compilers. If one were to build a different rustc it could be swapped in even in the world we have today.
      - anoncake 7y ago
        That's cool. I haven't used Rust yet so I didn't know.
- Tor3 7y ago
  I haven't thought consciously about that, but it turns out that I've been doing that kind of validation unconsciously. I didn't get interested in actally using D, for example, until the GDC variant arrived (Dlang-support in the GCC collection).
ncmncm 7y ago
Gcc compiles Rust fine. Its borrow checker won't bark at you, but that doesn't affect code generation. OCaml and Haskell are one-horse towns, with substantial history, that are not going away. But as Stroustrup says, there are languages people complain about, and languages no one uses. You generally end up better off investing your time in mastering a language people complain about. Bitterly. Once that meant FORTRAN.

Conan_Kudo 7y ago

It is definitely true. There's virtually no room for improving the underlying compiler toolchain because there's no allowance or support for an alternate implementation (using GCC, for example). Go at least has gcc-go, which is a compliant implementation that gets some benefits from being part of GCC (like not completely broken support for dynamic link libraries!). Having a second compiler implementation forces the language grammar and behavior to be specified in a formal manner that allows anyone to understand how it works.

the_mitsuhiko 7y ago
How is there no allowance? A lot of people in the community would love a rust compiler that can compile down to C for instance.
- anoncake 7y ago
  Maybe the tool chain is hardcoded to use the standard compiler? But that's more likely because of YAGNI, not because the rust community hates freedom.
  - the_mitsuhiko 7y ago
    The toolchain is built on top of rustup which very purpose is managing multiple compilers. If one were to build a different rustc it could be swapped in even in the world we have today.
    - anoncake 7y ago
      That's cool. I haven't used Rust yet so I didn't know.
Tor3 7y ago
I haven't thought consciously about that, but it turns out that I've been doing that kind of validation unconsciously. I didn't get interested in actally using D, for example, until the GDC variant arrived (Dlang-support in the GCC collection).

ncmncm 7y ago

Gcc compiles Rust fine. Its borrow checker won't bark at you, but that doesn't affect code generation. OCaml and Haskell are one-horse towns, with substantial history, that are not going away. But as Stroustrup says, there are languages people complain about, and languages no one uses. You generally end up better off investing your time in mastering a language people complain about. Bitterly. Once that meant FORTRAN.