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It's not more dangerous, it's that the existing infrastructure is not (as) compromised as new infrastructure to be built with Huawei goods. It should be self e

It's not more dangerous, it's that the existing infrastructure is not (as) compromised as new infrastructure to be built with Huawei goods. It should be self evident that turning over domestic communications infrastructure to a global rival with the largest military on the planet, nuclear first strike capability, a history of violence, newly minted dictator, and global ambitions is a terrible idea. Also, the US government isn't stealing US IP and giving it to Chinese businesses. The PLA is, and their ties to Huawei run deep.

zaro 7y ago
> the largest military on the planet, nuclear first strike capability, a history of violence, newly minted dictator, When you say it like that it's not quite clear whether you are referring to China or the US.
- jimclegg 7y ago
  This part, "history of violence", makes it clear we talk of the US.
- eaim 7y ago
  Precisely!
- Barrin92 7y ago
  and also funnily enough everyone else in the world, no matter how adversely positioned to the United States, still uses US goods. Is everyone in china throwing their iphone away or stopped watching hollywood movies because the US is "the enemy"? No, of course not. I don't know if there's a name for this but I'd call it "top dog syndrome", this is possibly the first time the US witnesses another player rising up to status and they don't seem to take it well.
freeflight 7y ago
> Also, the US government isn't stealing US IP and giving it to Chinese businesses. The PLA is, and their ties to Huawei run deep. No, it's stealing "allies" IP and giving it to US businesses [0] while subsidizing Intel to the tune of billions [1]. Still, nobody writes headlines along the lines of "State-sponsored Intel processors come with ME backdoor for government spying." instead we get, super trustworthy, articles how the NSA totally helped with disabling the backdoor [2], because a sucker is born every minute. The absurdity of it all is immense, yet still seems to elude most US Americans. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON#Examples_of_industrial_espionage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON#Examples_of_industrial... [1] https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/intel https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/intel [2] https://www.csoonline.com/article/3220476/researchers-say-now-you-too-can-disable-intel-me-backdoor-thanks-to-the-nsa.html https://www.csoonline.com/article/3220476/researchers-say-no...
- eaim 7y ago
  Well said!
- holy_city 7y ago
  >while subsidizing Intel to the tune of billions According to your source the US government is subsidizing Intel to the tune of $228,154,638, $141mm of which are loans. The lions share of those billions are incentives from Oregon and New Mexico to keep Intel manufacturing in their states. >The absurdity of it all is immense, yet still seems to elude most US Americans. What seems absurd in my opinion, is the idea it's a bad idea to prevent an unfriendly foreign power from gaining more access to your communication infrastructure. That's not hypocritical, it's pragmatic national security policy...
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zaro 7y ago

> the largest military on the planet, nuclear first strike capability, a history of violence, newly minted dictator, When you say it like that it's not quite clear whether you are referring to China or the US.

jimclegg 7y ago
This part, "history of violence", makes it clear we talk of the US.
eaim 7y ago
Precisely!
Barrin92 7y ago
and also funnily enough everyone else in the world, no matter how adversely positioned to the United States, still uses US goods. Is everyone in china throwing their iphone away or stopped watching hollywood movies because the US is "the enemy"? No, of course not. I don't know if there's a name for this but I'd call it "top dog syndrome", this is possibly the first time the US witnesses another player rising up to status and they don't seem to take it well.

freeflight 7y ago

> Also, the US government isn't stealing US IP and giving it to Chinese businesses. The PLA is, and their ties to Huawei run deep. No, it's stealing "allies" IP and giving it to US businesses [0] while subsidizing Intel to the tune of billions [1]. Still, nobody writes headlines along the lines of "State-sponsored Intel processors come with ME backdoor for government spying." instead we get, super trustworthy, articles how the NSA totally helped with disabling the backdoor [2], because a sucker is born every minute. The absurdity of it all is immense, yet still seems to elude most US Americans. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON#Examples_of_industrial_espionage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON#Examples_of_industrial... [1] https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/intel https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/intel [2] https://www.csoonline.com/article/3220476/researchers-say-now-you-too-can-disable-intel-me-backdoor-thanks-to-the-nsa.html https://www.csoonline.com/article/3220476/researchers-say-no...

eaim 7y ago
Well said!
holy_city 7y ago
>while subsidizing Intel to the tune of billions According to your source the US government is subsidizing Intel to the tune of $228,154,638, $141mm of which are loans. The lions share of those billions are incentives from Oregon and New Mexico to keep Intel manufacturing in their states. >The absurdity of it all is immense, yet still seems to elude most US Americans. What seems absurd in my opinion, is the idea it's a bad idea to prevent an unfriendly foreign power from gaining more access to your communication infrastructure. That's not hypocritical, it's pragmatic national security policy...

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