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I had Kaiser. A month-and-a-half to see a specialist. Any specialist appointment - Heart or Brain is easily 2- 3 months out.

jedberg 7y ago
I think it depends on the area. I have Kaiser now, in the Silicon Valley, and I've never waited more than a day for a specialist. Oftentimes I can even go in the same visit as my GP after he refers me. I think it's the same in Canada. In some areas there are no waits and in other areas there are long waits. I think they need to look at percentiles to get a more accurate measure.
- sriram_sun 7y ago
  I'm in SoCal. Similar wait times for HMO.
- lostlogin 7y ago
  How does that work? Is the specialist sitting there with no patients, waiting for a call?
  - jedberg 7y ago
    It seems that way. When I use the online booking tool they tend to have gaps.
  - Alex63 7y ago
    First, understand that there isn't really a Canadian federal health care system. The Canadian government (federal) transfers funds to the provinces, which operate health plans for provincial residents. The provincial health plans control the number of available specialists. A health care provider can only bill the provincial plan if they have a billing number, and the provincial plans manage billing numbers to limit/encourage specialists and to make sure doctors provide services in less populous areas. I don't know if it's still the case, but historically there was no private alternative available (so doctors couldn't operate a private practice that didn't need a billing number from the provincial plan). If provinces chose to allow private practices, the federal government threatened to withhold funds from the plan. As with most western democracies, Canadian doctors are well compensated in comparison to the rest of society. But it is generally understood that they can make more money in the US if they qualify for immigration (and many can because of rules allowing people with specialist skills to get immigrant visas). This also contributes to reduced supply of specialists, and longer waiting times. To get to see one of the available specialists in Canada, you have to have a referral from a primary care provider. Here in the US (in my experience) a referral is as simple as saying to your GP, "I want to see a cardiologist." Then your GP says "Oh, sure, this one's very good. I'll refer you." In Canada, your GP has to follow plan guidelines for referrals, and confirm that it is warranted. Then you get on the waiting list for the specialist. You'll wait for a consultation. At the consultation the specialist will determine whether or not you need treatment, and the urgency. Then you go on the waiting list for treatment. Of course, Canadians with the financial resources are free to travel to other countries to obtain medical treatment more quickly. The provincial medical plans do not pay for treatments obtained outside of Canada. Medical "tourism" is not that unusual, including travel to the US and other countries.
- ameister14 7y ago
  So to break it down a bit - https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2017 https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wa... This says that, Going by referral to consultation (not treatment, that takes another 10 weeks), the shortest waits for specialist consultations are 6.7 weeks in Ontario and longest are in New Brunswick (26.6 weeks) Including treatment times, the variation is 15.4 weeks to 41.7 weeks.
  - bshipp 7y ago
    Just as an FYI, the Fraser institute is one of those organizations where you know the conclusion of their report just by seeing the subject in the title. I would be gobsmacked if I read an article by them that had anything positive to say about Canadian healthcare.
rayiner 7y ago
Where are you? A friend of our’s has some heart issues. It was probably a couple of weeks between when his doctor in Iowa referred him and when specialists in Minnesota were seeing him. Maybe that’s another reason folks in the different sides are basically talking past each other. If you’re not in a major urban area, seeing a doctor is very fast in the US. When I lived in DC it could take a month or more to get a routine pediatrician’s appointment (something like a physical for school enrollment). In exurban Maryland I can often get them the next day, rarely more than a few days.
- rayiner 7y ago
  Edit: I just got an appointment for tomorrow morning for a minor ear infection, through an iOS app.
- js2 7y ago
  The reason people are talking past each other is because they’re basing their opinions on personal experience and anecdotes. If you look at the data we pay more for worse outcomes. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/ https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/21/AR2009082101778.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08... https://www.amazon.com/Healing-America-Global-Better-Cheaper/dp/0143118218 https://www.amazon.com/Healing-America-Global-Better-Cheaper... And Canada isn’t the only alternative to the U.S. when it comes to health systems.
  - splintercell 7y ago
    We pay a lot more for worse outcome in education too, don't we (and from what I heard, in infrastructure also), so by what reason can we believe that Healthcare would be totally different?
- sriram_sun 7y ago
  I'm in SoCal. Kaiser wait time was for Ortho in Denver CO. We've moved to SoCal. Under HMO, specialist wait time is about a month now.
thaumasiotes 7y ago
I have Kaiser right now. One week to see a specialist. (The particular specialists I had to see were an allergist and an ear-nose-throat surgeon.)

jedberg 7y ago

I think it depends on the area. I have Kaiser now, in the Silicon Valley, and I've never waited more than a day for a specialist. Oftentimes I can even go in the same visit as my GP after he refers me. I think it's the same in Canada. In some areas there are no waits and in other areas there are long waits. I think they need to look at percentiles to get a more accurate measure.

sriram_sun 7y ago
I'm in SoCal. Similar wait times for HMO.
lostlogin 7y ago
How does that work? Is the specialist sitting there with no patients, waiting for a call?
- jedberg 7y ago
  It seems that way. When I use the online booking tool they tend to have gaps.
- Alex63 7y ago
  First, understand that there isn't really a Canadian federal health care system. The Canadian government (federal) transfers funds to the provinces, which operate health plans for provincial residents. The provincial health plans control the number of available specialists. A health care provider can only bill the provincial plan if they have a billing number, and the provincial plans manage billing numbers to limit/encourage specialists and to make sure doctors provide services in less populous areas. I don't know if it's still the case, but historically there was no private alternative available (so doctors couldn't operate a private practice that didn't need a billing number from the provincial plan). If provinces chose to allow private practices, the federal government threatened to withhold funds from the plan. As with most western democracies, Canadian doctors are well compensated in comparison to the rest of society. But it is generally understood that they can make more money in the US if they qualify for immigration (and many can because of rules allowing people with specialist skills to get immigrant visas). This also contributes to reduced supply of specialists, and longer waiting times. To get to see one of the available specialists in Canada, you have to have a referral from a primary care provider. Here in the US (in my experience) a referral is as simple as saying to your GP, "I want to see a cardiologist." Then your GP says "Oh, sure, this one's very good. I'll refer you." In Canada, your GP has to follow plan guidelines for referrals, and confirm that it is warranted. Then you get on the waiting list for the specialist. You'll wait for a consultation. At the consultation the specialist will determine whether or not you need treatment, and the urgency. Then you go on the waiting list for treatment. Of course, Canadians with the financial resources are free to travel to other countries to obtain medical treatment more quickly. The provincial medical plans do not pay for treatments obtained outside of Canada. Medical "tourism" is not that unusual, including travel to the US and other countries.
ameister14 7y ago
So to break it down a bit - https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2017 https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wa... This says that, Going by referral to consultation (not treatment, that takes another 10 weeks), the shortest waits for specialist consultations are 6.7 weeks in Ontario and longest are in New Brunswick (26.6 weeks) Including treatment times, the variation is 15.4 weeks to 41.7 weeks.
- bshipp 7y ago
  Just as an FYI, the Fraser institute is one of those organizations where you know the conclusion of their report just by seeing the subject in the title. I would be gobsmacked if I read an article by them that had anything positive to say about Canadian healthcare.

rayiner 7y ago

Where are you? A friend of our’s has some heart issues. It was probably a couple of weeks between when his doctor in Iowa referred him and when specialists in Minnesota were seeing him. Maybe that’s another reason folks in the different sides are basically talking past each other. If you’re not in a major urban area, seeing a doctor is very fast in the US. When I lived in DC it could take a month or more to get a routine pediatrician’s appointment (something like a physical for school enrollment). In exurban Maryland I can often get them the next day, rarely more than a few days.

rayiner 7y ago
Edit: I just got an appointment for tomorrow morning for a minor ear infection, through an iOS app.
js2 7y ago
The reason people are talking past each other is because they’re basing their opinions on personal experience and anecdotes. If you look at the data we pay more for worse outcomes. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/ https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/21/AR2009082101778.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08... https://www.amazon.com/Healing-America-Global-Better-Cheaper/dp/0143118218 https://www.amazon.com/Healing-America-Global-Better-Cheaper... And Canada isn’t the only alternative to the U.S. when it comes to health systems.
- splintercell 7y ago
  We pay a lot more for worse outcome in education too, don't we (and from what I heard, in infrastructure also), so by what reason can we believe that Healthcare would be totally different?
sriram_sun 7y ago
I'm in SoCal. Kaiser wait time was for Ortho in Denver CO. We've moved to SoCal. Under HMO, specialist wait time is about a month now.

thaumasiotes 7y ago

I have Kaiser right now. One week to see a specialist. (The particular specialists I had to see were an allergist and an ear-nose-throat surgeon.)