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I am not chiding in any way, I apologize as my point must have not been well written if that is how it landed. Sorry :( We are not in 1984, and that is fiction

by bwb 7y ago

I am not chiding in any way, I apologize as my point must have not been well written if that is how it landed. Sorry :( We are not in 1984, and that is fiction. I fully acknowledge I have not fully thought through every branch of the problem, but what I don't want to see is this idea that all data is at the hands of the person who played a role in creating it. Some data needs to go back to the company and society if it serves a solid purpose in helping improve either.

mixmastamyk 7y ago
Ok, but it's not your place to decide the rights of others nor their responsibility to make your car safer paid for with their privacy. If you want to be safer put on a seatbelt and helmet and drive more slowly, rather than expressing entitlement to others whereabouts, choices, and associations. History is largely a story of those without power breaking free from those who do and take advantage. Also, an inability to learn from fiction is a disadvantage.
- bwb 7y ago
  Sure it is my place, I am a member of this society and we live in a Democracy. I get my views, you get yours, lets talk about it and think about it and slowly over 50 years some stuff will get hammered out :) And, as I said, I am not convinced that all data you interact with is yours. I think data is data and it has attributes that should go other places whether you want it too or not. History and fiction are great tools to explore ideas. So maybe just try exploring the idea that knowledge and advancement of society depends on a certain amount of data to float free. If we clamp down too hard it might paralyze advancement.
  - mixmastamyk 7y ago
    It's your opinion, not place I'd say. Minority rights cannot be ethically eliminated by a majority vote. To be honest, while I care about privacy in general, am not concerned about every little datum myself. In a healthy reality companies and governments would give us lots of options and control, let us opt-in. But that never happens does it? They'd prefer you'd not even be aware it's happening. Only when shamed in the media does a company even attempt to provide the appearance of options. Why do you think that is? Because they sell your information, that's why. If it weren't that fact I wouldn't be so hardline on the subject. But, it's the reality we live in.
    - bwb 7y ago
      Not sure I follow, as I do have a say in this as do you and every other person in this country :). To argue someone doesn't have to say is a tad weird.
      - mixmastamyk 7y ago
        Maybe you misread it? Otherwise is a straw-man.
        mixmastamyk 7y ago
        Ok, think I understand now. Wasn't trying to take away your rights, but rather the opposite. There's an old saying, "your rights end at the tip of my nose."
salawat 7y ago
No. It doesn't. I don't understand where your presumption of 'need' comes from. There is no physical dicta that mandates that just because something should happen, means that it must. Pervasive data collection is not a need. It's a want, by every business out there because of the B2B revenue generating possibility.

by bwb 7y ago

mixmastamyk 7y ago

Ok, but it's not your place to decide the rights of others nor their responsibility to make your car safer paid for with their privacy. If you want to be safer put on a seatbelt and helmet and drive more slowly, rather than expressing entitlement to others whereabouts, choices, and associations. History is largely a story of those without power breaking free from those who do and take advantage. Also, an inability to learn from fiction is a disadvantage.

bwb 7y ago
Sure it is my place, I am a member of this society and we live in a Democracy. I get my views, you get yours, lets talk about it and think about it and slowly over 50 years some stuff will get hammered out :) And, as I said, I am not convinced that all data you interact with is yours. I think data is data and it has attributes that should go other places whether you want it too or not. History and fiction are great tools to explore ideas. So maybe just try exploring the idea that knowledge and advancement of society depends on a certain amount of data to float free. If we clamp down too hard it might paralyze advancement.
- mixmastamyk 7y ago
  It's your opinion, not place I'd say. Minority rights cannot be ethically eliminated by a majority vote. To be honest, while I care about privacy in general, am not concerned about every little datum myself. In a healthy reality companies and governments would give us lots of options and control, let us opt-in. But that never happens does it? They'd prefer you'd not even be aware it's happening. Only when shamed in the media does a company even attempt to provide the appearance of options. Why do you think that is? Because they sell your information, that's why. If it weren't that fact I wouldn't be so hardline on the subject. But, it's the reality we live in.
  - bwb 7y ago
    Not sure I follow, as I do have a say in this as do you and every other person in this country :). To argue someone doesn't have to say is a tad weird.
    - mixmastamyk 7y ago
      Maybe you misread it? Otherwise is a straw-man.
      - mixmastamyk 7y ago
        Ok, think I understand now. Wasn't trying to take away your rights, but rather the opposite. There's an old saying, "your rights end at the tip of my nose."

salawat 7y ago

No. It doesn't. I don't understand where your presumption of 'need' comes from. There is no physical dicta that mandates that just because something should happen, means that it must. Pervasive data collection is not a need. It's a want, by every business out there because of the B2B revenue generating possibility.