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I checked their store out of curiosity. Switching from 512MB to 1TB SSD: +$400 WHY? This is literally the only thing that bothers me about Apple pricing. I ge
by nothis 7y ago
I checked their store out of curiosity.
Switching from 512MB to 1TB SSD: +$400
WHY? This is literally the only thing that bothers me about Apple pricing. I get that you pay for the design, I get the quirks like introducing touch bar, everything. But I don't get why upgrading from a $50 to a $100 SSD adds 400 dollars.
- bazooka_penguin 7y agoThis sort of "upgrade" nickel and diming is true of every laptop vendor, but Apple is definitely one of the worst. It's like their pricing structure is stuck in 2012
- askafriend 7y agoThe SSDs they use really do cost that much though. Even if you got them from another manufacturer they'd be about that expensive. Apple don't use cheap SSDs...they use blazing fast, top of the line units not found on many other laptops. If you have criticism, price isn't a valid one. But you can definitely argue that they should have cheaper/slower options so that consumers who don't need blazing fast SSDs can still benefit from increased storage. Here's how the 2018 Macbook's SSD stacks up against the competition: https://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2018/07/macbookprossdtest.jpg https://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2018/07/macbookprossdt... That's why there's such a huge price difference. Not because they're randomly picking high upgrade prices to screw customers.
- holy_city 7y agoGeekbench across OS's and motherboards is worthless, especially when they have different file systems. You need to look a the spec sheet for the actual hardware, or compare on the same machine with an aftermarket part. I'm extremely skeptical that Apple has some magic SSD with 6.5x read/write speed of everyone else.
- pzo 7y agoYou can buy SSD with the same specs 3.2GB Read and 2.2GB Write for much cheaper. Samsung sells 970 EVO 1 TB m.2 for $300 [1] but you can even buy cheaper on amazon for less than $235. Keep i mind those +$400 was price for upgrade from 500GB to 1TB not the price of 1TB which is much much more. For example Apple charges upgrading macbook pro 13 from 128GB (silly they even offer pro machine with such small SSD) to 1TB for..... $800! So in other words prices their 1TB SSD disk for ~$1000. It's insane. [1] https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/memory-storage/solid-state-drives/ssd-970-evo-nvme-m-2-1tb-mz-v7e1t0bw/ https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/memory-storage/solid-st...
- akamel 7y agoAs I posted elsewhere in this thread; Lenovo charges 450$ retail and 250$ on special for a similar upgrade. https://imgur.com/a/ug87MaI https://imgur.com/a/ug87MaI
- pzo 7y agoFair enough but Lenovo doesn't solder their SSD. Nothing prevents you from buying the cheapest option and upgrading yourself, e.g. Lenovo thinkpad X1 Extreme has even 2 SDD m.2 slots. You also don't have to max out you storage when buying because you can always upgrade it in the future once you need more storage or when SSD gets even cheaper few years later. On top of that those 2 m.2 slots allows you to put disk in raid 0 or use second one with optane memory once its cheaper and worth it.
- jandrese 7y agoAren't those just the numbers for SATA connection vs. M.2 PCIe? Apple doesn't manufacture SSDs, they buy them from the same companies that Dell, HP, Asus, etc... do. There isn't special Mac only models of those drives, it's all the same hardware in the end. The only advantage I see is that Apple was quick to switch to M.2 and macrumors cherry picked their competition to avoid PCs with M.2 SSDs.
- ksec 7y agoTo make things worst, out of all the laptop vendor Apple is the only one with their own SSD controller, which is not a small percentage of BOM cost in SSD. And they are one of the few that gets favourable NAND pricing due to the volume they move with iPhone and iPad.
- akamel 7y agoBecause they don't use slow SSDs. The read / write speeds on the SSD in the Macbook Pro are insane. see: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/13/2018-macbook-pro-fastest-laptop-ssd-ever/ https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/13/2018-macbook-pro-fastes... we are talking at least 6x what other laptops use.
- jpalomaki 7y agoI don’t doubt they are faster than other laptop SSDs, but those results look quite suspicious.
- akamel 7y agoThey are not 'suspicious' they really are that fast compared to the standard cheap SSDs. It's the difference between cheap SATA SSDs and expensive NVMe PCIe SSDs. Search for comps on any online retailer and you'll see how expensive and fast those are.
- masklinn 7y ago> It's the difference between cheap SATA SSDs and expensive NVMe PCIe SSDs. > Search for comps on any online retailer and you'll see how expensive and fast those are. $250 for a 1TB 970 EVO Plus. Which has better write throughput.
- akamel 7y agoHere is what Lenevo charges for a similar upgrade using a slightly slower SSD https://imgur.com/a/ug87MaI https://imgur.com/a/ug87MaI That 250$ more to upgrade to the 1tb from the 512gb. the retail price of the upgrade is 450$
- masklinn 7y agoSo… they charge half the price Apple does, and if you don't want to pay it you don't have to care because it's a standard m.2 so you can swap it with a retail drive (at which point you have both the original and the replacement for 50% more storage at a lower price), which you can't do with a soldered Apple drive.
- timw4mail 7y agoSadly, this is basically true of every major OEM. It's just you generally have recourse to make the change yourself.
- rootbear 7y agoMy favorite comment on this sort of thing was the claim that Apple uses components made from the powdered bones of unicorns. Sometimes I think that's not far off.
- SamuelAdams 7y agoApple now solders in the SSD into the motherboard. My guess is the cost of an entire motherboard with a larger SSD simply costs more to manufacture. Or their target audience doesn't really care about money - they care more about the "premium" experience that comes with the Apple brand.