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As someone who is desperately wanting to upgrade from a mid-2012. I say big deal. No better display like oled. Looks like the same keyboard to me. Oh the mat

As someone who is desperately wanting to upgrade from a mid-2012. I say big deal. No better display like oled. Looks like the same keyboard to me. Oh the material has changed? Who cares, it's the same failing mechanism. More CPU eh? Means it'll just get hotter much quicker and there will be more throttling to be fixed via software. At this rate, for Apple to get my $$$ again they'll have to release a 16" [oled] macbook pro, with a redesigned keyboard and arm chipset so that the body is entirely cool even under load. Maybe in 2022 I can see myself buying another macbook pro. Man, I can't wait till Tim Cook gets replaced. We need another visionary at he helm of Apple. Someone who will push the envelope again!

tomca32 7y ago
The thing is, they don't even need to push the envelope. I would have been happy with a classic MBP with upgraded hardware but without USB C ports and no touchbar. It's just that they keep introducing stupid, useless gimmicks.
- asark 7y ago
  IMO they needed one transitional design where they replaced the thunderbolt (is that right? I get all their storm-named ports mixed up) ports, and maybe the charger port if they must, with USB-C, but kept HDMI and at least one USB-A. I use the SDCARD port all the time but I could see their getting rid of it. The other stuff? Gimme a break, going all USB-C from a state of no USB-C? WTF was I supposed to plug into it without an adapter or buying all new peripherals and drives?
  - inferiorhuman 7y ago
    All the USB-C ports on the new MacBook Pros double as Thunderbolt 3 ports — IMO this is a big advantage over other laptops where some ports are USB-C only. I've only ever had a 2016+ MBP as a work computer so I didn't mind the USB-C stuff too much (especially with a dock that I didn't have to pay for). The lack of dedicated ethernet port and SD card reader is vexxing though (on my personal 2015 MBP).
    - holy_city 7y ago
      > All the USB-C ports on the new MacBook Pros double as Thunderbolt 3 ports — IMO this is a big advantage over other laptops where some ports are USB-C only. The disadvantage is that one of those USB-C ports will be your charging port when there is only 4 on the 15" and 2 on the 13". I don't mind USB-C/Thunderbolt so much, I think it's great we'll get products that will be forced to adopt it (looking at you, audio interfaces/DACs). The MBP has been a port desert for a long time and dongles are awful UX - and they just keep removing more and more of them. It baffles me when they try and do things that seem to improve UI/UX, like the touchbar (which I hate, but I get it), the move to Retina displays, high quality dual-front facing speakers on all models now, etc... but then they turn around and remove IO options and roll out a terrible keyboard. It seems like they have warped priorities for the mac line. Personally if the move to ARM and don't offer MacOS as a standalone product, the pro-media world will probably abandon Macs altogether. And I don't really want to develop for another OS, I love mac. The machines are just awful.
      - dillonmckay 7y ago
        The audio quality of the speakers pisses me off because of how good it sounds. Such an unnecessary ‘enhancement’, and reminds me of the old HP Pavilion laptops, touting Altec Lansing speakers, which I thought was asinine.
        X-Istence 7y ago
        Wait... you are pissed off because you get better sound quality from your laptop speakers?
        dillonmckay 7y ago
        Yes. It is an unnecessary and over-engineered feature, where effort should have been spent on other parts of the machine.
        Simon_says 7y ago
dawnerd 7y ago
OLED is not a very good idea for a computer monitor currently with their pretty bad image retention. Go look at the iPhones at Best Buy. You can see they have pretty bad retention (unless your Best Buy is good and replaces the phones often).
- djsumdog 7y ago
  Yea, this is the reason there aren't any OLED PC monitors (unless you count that one portable one that's overpriced and has terrible color reproduction)
- jazoom 7y ago
  I have never seen retention on my Pixel2XL. Not even a little bit. I used to see retention on my last OLED phone. Maybe we're getting close to OLED displays that are good enough? And yes, sometimes I have my phone on for a long time. And yes, there are static elements just like on a desktop.
  - dawnerd 7y ago
    You wont notice it if you use your phone. Retention happens when the screen is on all day showing a static image that doesn't change. On a macbook that would mean the apple logo for sure would burn in. Hell, even on my non-oled lcd monitors they're burning in even though they're not supposed to. Even with pixel shifting you can still get retention too, so that's not really an option right now. I'm hopeful some company in the future will come up with a way to prevent it altogether - but it's going to have to be some kind of new screen tech.
    - jazoom 7y ago
      I don't leave my screen on the same image all day. It's on about as much as my phone. I turn it off if I'm not actively using it. This is my point. If I can have it on my phone, I should be able to have it on my desktop.
burtonator 7y ago
Tim Cook has got to go.. he's pathetic.

tomca32 7y ago

The thing is, they don't even need to push the envelope. I would have been happy with a classic MBP with upgraded hardware but without USB C ports and no touchbar. It's just that they keep introducing stupid, useless gimmicks.

asark 7y ago
IMO they needed one transitional design where they replaced the thunderbolt (is that right? I get all their storm-named ports mixed up) ports, and maybe the charger port if they must, with USB-C, but kept HDMI and at least one USB-A. I use the SDCARD port all the time but I could see their getting rid of it. The other stuff? Gimme a break, going all USB-C from a state of no USB-C? WTF was I supposed to plug into it without an adapter or buying all new peripherals and drives?
- inferiorhuman 7y ago
  All the USB-C ports on the new MacBook Pros double as Thunderbolt 3 ports — IMO this is a big advantage over other laptops where some ports are USB-C only. I've only ever had a 2016+ MBP as a work computer so I didn't mind the USB-C stuff too much (especially with a dock that I didn't have to pay for). The lack of dedicated ethernet port and SD card reader is vexxing though (on my personal 2015 MBP).
  - holy_city 7y ago
    > All the USB-C ports on the new MacBook Pros double as Thunderbolt 3 ports — IMO this is a big advantage over other laptops where some ports are USB-C only. The disadvantage is that one of those USB-C ports will be your charging port when there is only 4 on the 15" and 2 on the 13". I don't mind USB-C/Thunderbolt so much, I think it's great we'll get products that will be forced to adopt it (looking at you, audio interfaces/DACs). The MBP has been a port desert for a long time and dongles are awful UX - and they just keep removing more and more of them. It baffles me when they try and do things that seem to improve UI/UX, like the touchbar (which I hate, but I get it), the move to Retina displays, high quality dual-front facing speakers on all models now, etc... but then they turn around and remove IO options and roll out a terrible keyboard. It seems like they have warped priorities for the mac line. Personally if the move to ARM and don't offer MacOS as a standalone product, the pro-media world will probably abandon Macs altogether. And I don't really want to develop for another OS, I love mac. The machines are just awful.
    - dillonmckay 7y ago
      The audio quality of the speakers pisses me off because of how good it sounds. Such an unnecessary ‘enhancement’, and reminds me of the old HP Pavilion laptops, touting Altec Lansing speakers, which I thought was asinine.
      - X-Istence 7y ago
        Wait... you are pissed off because you get better sound quality from your laptop speakers?
        dillonmckay 7y ago
        Yes. It is an unnecessary and over-engineered feature, where effort should have been spent on other parts of the machine.
        Simon_says 7y ago

dawnerd 7y ago

OLED is not a very good idea for a computer monitor currently with their pretty bad image retention. Go look at the iPhones at Best Buy. You can see they have pretty bad retention (unless your Best Buy is good and replaces the phones often).

djsumdog 7y ago
Yea, this is the reason there aren't any OLED PC monitors (unless you count that one portable one that's overpriced and has terrible color reproduction)
jazoom 7y ago
I have never seen retention on my Pixel2XL. Not even a little bit. I used to see retention on my last OLED phone. Maybe we're getting close to OLED displays that are good enough? And yes, sometimes I have my phone on for a long time. And yes, there are static elements just like on a desktop.
- dawnerd 7y ago
  You wont notice it if you use your phone. Retention happens when the screen is on all day showing a static image that doesn't change. On a macbook that would mean the apple logo for sure would burn in. Hell, even on my non-oled lcd monitors they're burning in even though they're not supposed to. Even with pixel shifting you can still get retention too, so that's not really an option right now. I'm hopeful some company in the future will come up with a way to prevent it altogether - but it's going to have to be some kind of new screen tech.
  - jazoom 7y ago
    I don't leave my screen on the same image all day. It's on about as much as my phone. I turn it off if I'm not actively using it. This is my point. If I can have it on my phone, I should be able to have it on my desktop.

burtonator 7y ago

Tim Cook has got to go.. he's pathetic.