> At least Tesla has demonstrated that their data collection is for training their full self-driving capability No, it's also so it can defend itself with the

> At least Tesla has demonstrated that their data collection is for training their full self-driving capability No, it's also so it can defend itself with the line that "hands weren't on the wheel" whenever an Autopilot-enabled car crashes again. Forget the fact that a malicious actor could probably make it look like that anyway, or even the fact that Tesla's own "hands on wheel" sensor isn't very accurate at all.