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Huawei seems to see the US bans as a way to bully Huawei, and perhaps a way to bully China as well. Some of the Chinese people I know think that the US wants Ch

Huawei seems to see the US bans as a way to bully Huawei, and perhaps a way to bully China as well. Some of the Chinese people I know think that the US wants Chinese to stay poor, that the US is jealous of the Chinese's success. The press release is basically painting the story of the underdog resisting against bullies, and thriving against all odds.

space_fountain 7y ago
I definitely think some Americans have exactly that opinion.
- monetus 7y ago
  There are americans that think the earth is flat. I doubt the median educated american would want a billion+ people to stay poor.
  - jacquesm 7y ago
    The 'median educated american' [sic] is not quite 'your average American' which is usually the demographic used for such statements. It's all about 'winning' now I guess and for one to win all others have to lose.
    - monetus 7y ago
      I use median, because thinking of the guy in the middle of the spectrum seems to make more sense than averaging it into an amorphous person. I like math, is all.. I'm not sure what your statement about winning means, are you okay? Negative neuroplasticity is a thing, dont despair. This situation is bullshit, I'm not sure if any superorganism is really winning in the long term. Some individuals maybe. Edit: I maybe should have used worldly, rather than educated; not quite sure of the precise word I was looking for. I didn't mean college educated.
      - jacquesm 7y ago
        It's not just median, it's median + educated that's a much thinner slice than Average American.
        monetus 7y ago
        Yes, indeed. Despite having commented thus far, I feel like debating whether the average american would be sadistic isn't very useful. Absent influence in the government, we (americans) don't have agency in regards to this. Neither do the chinese. I imagine the average in both countries is inundated with propaganda as well.
bruinjoe 7y ago
Jelous? We've lost so many jobs due to free trade. They can call it any thing they want but the trade deficit cannot be explained by jelousy.
- hungryhobo 7y ago
  That's china's problem how?
  - seppin 7y ago
    Because it's a literal wealth transfer from the American middle class to China. Yes growth has supplied some of that wealth, but America and Europe have done the rest. And no one asked the respective populations of the lower middle class if they wanted to give millions of Chinese a better life at the expense of theirs, it just happened.
    - rifung 7y ago
      If I understand correctly, you're suggesting that the US middle class suffered as a result of trying to help the Chinese? That would make sense if as a whole the US economy started stagnating because of trade with China but as far as I know the US GDP has still been growing. Given that the US is still as a whole doing well, I'd argue that the reason the middle/lower class isn't doing well isn't because of China but because of the imbalance in where these profits have gone. In other words, I think it's wealth inequality that is the real issue.
      - solotronics 7y ago
        And what exactly caused the wealth inequality? The CEO types closed American factories and moved production to China. This is great for the stock of said company, the CEO, the board of directors, and China. Wait a minute... this really sucks if you are were a worker in the American factory that closed! Hey at least they can buy cheap Chinese stuff at Walmart with their unemployment checks.

space_fountain 7y ago

I definitely think some Americans have exactly that opinion.

monetus 7y ago
There are americans that think the earth is flat. I doubt the median educated american would want a billion+ people to stay poor.
- jacquesm 7y ago
  The 'median educated american' [sic] is not quite 'your average American' which is usually the demographic used for such statements. It's all about 'winning' now I guess and for one to win all others have to lose.
  - monetus 7y ago
    I use median, because thinking of the guy in the middle of the spectrum seems to make more sense than averaging it into an amorphous person. I like math, is all.. I'm not sure what your statement about winning means, are you okay? Negative neuroplasticity is a thing, dont despair. This situation is bullshit, I'm not sure if any superorganism is really winning in the long term. Some individuals maybe. Edit: I maybe should have used worldly, rather than educated; not quite sure of the precise word I was looking for. I didn't mean college educated.
    - jacquesm 7y ago
      It's not just median, it's median + educated that's a much thinner slice than Average American.
      - monetus 7y ago
        Yes, indeed. Despite having commented thus far, I feel like debating whether the average american would be sadistic isn't very useful. Absent influence in the government, we (americans) don't have agency in regards to this. Neither do the chinese. I imagine the average in both countries is inundated with propaganda as well.

bruinjoe 7y ago

Jelous? We've lost so many jobs due to free trade. They can call it any thing they want but the trade deficit cannot be explained by jelousy.

hungryhobo 7y ago
That's china's problem how?
- seppin 7y ago
  Because it's a literal wealth transfer from the American middle class to China. Yes growth has supplied some of that wealth, but America and Europe have done the rest. And no one asked the respective populations of the lower middle class if they wanted to give millions of Chinese a better life at the expense of theirs, it just happened.
  - rifung 7y ago
    If I understand correctly, you're suggesting that the US middle class suffered as a result of trying to help the Chinese? That would make sense if as a whole the US economy started stagnating because of trade with China but as far as I know the US GDP has still been growing. Given that the US is still as a whole doing well, I'd argue that the reason the middle/lower class isn't doing well isn't because of China but because of the imbalance in where these profits have gone. In other words, I think it's wealth inequality that is the real issue.
    - solotronics 7y ago
      And what exactly caused the wealth inequality? The CEO types closed American factories and moved production to China. This is great for the stock of said company, the CEO, the board of directors, and China. Wait a minute... this really sucks if you are were a worker in the American factory that closed! Hey at least they can buy cheap Chinese stuff at Walmart with their unemployment checks.