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> not be allowed to build a system that gives them my data for free by default. What do you mean by 'not allowed'. you have the option to not buy tsla if its s

> not be allowed to build a system that gives them my data for free by default. What do you mean by 'not allowed'. you have the option to not buy tsla if its such a concern to you. There are tons of ppl who are ok with giving out their data for free why shouldn't they be 'not allowed'. Weird agrument, I don't like it so noone else should either.

ghaff 7y ago
And for those willing to share, it's perfectly reasonable for there to be an opt-in option.
- dominotw 7y ago
  thats for tsla to decide how they do it. They are stating upfront what they are collecting.
inetknght 7y ago
> What do you mean by 'not allowed'. you have the option to not buy tsla if its such a concern to you. This is a dangerous way of thinking. Transportation is a requirement for getting ahead in life. Signing away your rights to privacy should not ever be a requirement to obtain transportation.
- dominotw 7y ago
  > Signing away your rights to privacy should not ever be a requirement to obtain transportation. Lets talk about this when this is actually a thing. Creating preemptive 'not allowed' laws would be throwing baby out of bathwater.
  - inetknght 7y ago
    > Lets talk about this when this is actually a thing. Waiting until later will adversely affect many millions, potentially billions, of people.
    - dominotw 7y ago
      doing it now will also adversely affect many millions, potentially billions, of people. Tesla relies on that data to improve their autonomous systems. We don't even know what % of ppl are actually opposed to sharing this data. I've not heard many tesla owners complaining about this. Making false equivalences between this and your personal health information and spreading fear is so counterproductive.
  - danso 7y ago
    The U.S. federal gov’t, via HIPAA, took a stance on what health providers could do with patient data, rather than settling for a stance of “just find the nearest hospital with your preferred terms and conditions” or “keep in mind you don’t need to see a doctor”
    - bwb 7y ago
      Well said!
    - dominotw 7y ago
      > you don't need to buy a tesla > you don’t need to see a doctor Totally ridiculous strawman.
      - danso 7y ago
        You are in a fucking daft dream world to think Tesla is the only carmaker to have computers and data. Jesus Christ.
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        dominotw 7y ago
        I am not claiming tesla is the only one, i used that as an example. You are making the inverse claim that you cannot buy a non connected car with your "don't need to see a doctor" analogy. Article is not about cars that "have computers and data" its about connected cars that are sharing personal information ( how fast we drive, where we live, how many children we have — even financial information ) with manufacturer. Do you know what % of cars in the market today are sending this information back to manufacturer ?
        danso 7y ago
        FTA, it’s clear the author is talking about what they see as an impending issue: > What carmakers are doing with the collected data isn’t clear. We know they use it to improve car performance and safety. And we know they have the ability to sell it to third parties they might choose. Indeed, Ford’s chief executive, Jim Hackett, has spoken in detail about the company’s plans to monetize car data.

ghaff 7y ago

And for those willing to share, it's perfectly reasonable for there to be an opt-in option.

dominotw 7y ago
thats for tsla to decide how they do it. They are stating upfront what they are collecting.

inetknght 7y ago

> What do you mean by 'not allowed'. you have the option to not buy tsla if its such a concern to you. This is a dangerous way of thinking. Transportation is a requirement for getting ahead in life. Signing away your rights to privacy should not ever be a requirement to obtain transportation.

dominotw 7y ago
> Signing away your rights to privacy should not ever be a requirement to obtain transportation. Lets talk about this when this is actually a thing. Creating preemptive 'not allowed' laws would be throwing baby out of bathwater.
- inetknght 7y ago
  > Lets talk about this when this is actually a thing. Waiting until later will adversely affect many millions, potentially billions, of people.
  - dominotw 7y ago
    doing it now will also adversely affect many millions, potentially billions, of people. Tesla relies on that data to improve their autonomous systems. We don't even know what % of ppl are actually opposed to sharing this data. I've not heard many tesla owners complaining about this. Making false equivalences between this and your personal health information and spreading fear is so counterproductive.
- danso 7y ago
  The U.S. federal gov’t, via HIPAA, took a stance on what health providers could do with patient data, rather than settling for a stance of “just find the nearest hospital with your preferred terms and conditions” or “keep in mind you don’t need to see a doctor”
  - bwb 7y ago
    Well said!
  - dominotw 7y ago
    > you don't need to buy a tesla > you don’t need to see a doctor Totally ridiculous strawman.
    - danso 7y ago
      You are in a fucking daft dream world to think Tesla is the only carmaker to have computers and data. Jesus Christ.
      - deleted 7y ago
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      - dominotw 7y ago
        I am not claiming tesla is the only one, i used that as an example. You are making the inverse claim that you cannot buy a non connected car with your "don't need to see a doctor" analogy. Article is not about cars that "have computers and data" its about connected cars that are sharing personal information ( how fast we drive, where we live, how many children we have — even financial information ) with manufacturer. Do you know what % of cars in the market today are sending this information back to manufacturer ?
        danso 7y ago
        FTA, it’s clear the author is talking about what they see as an impending issue: > What carmakers are doing with the collected data isn’t clear. We know they use it to improve car performance and safety. And we know they have the ability to sell it to third parties they might choose. Indeed, Ford’s chief executive, Jim Hackett, has spoken in detail about the company’s plans to monetize car data.