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If data is generated by something I own then it is my data and I don't care if it affects someone's business model or whatever perceived future benefit they are

by yumraj 7y ago

If data is generated by something I own then it is my data and I don't care if it affects someone's business model or whatever perceived future benefit they are promising. And trying to maintain status quo is not extreme privacy movement, it's common sense.

dominotw 7y ago
https://www.tesla.com/about/legal https://www.tesla.com/about/legal there is section for "From or about your Tesla vehicle" Its a bit weird to agree to this when buying your vehicle and complain about it later. Its not like they are doing it behind your back like FB, they are telling you upfront what they are collecting. how can you possibly have a problem with that.
- inetknght 7y ago
  > how can you possibly have a problem with that. Demonstrate that a person isn't required to agree to or sign privacy-waiving contracts in order to purchase (wholly own) a Tesla vehicle. Demonstrate that the privacy-waiving contract isn't implied to be required.
- yumraj 7y ago
  1) Huh, what makes you believe I own Tesla - maybe that is not what you're implying but kinda confused by your wording. 2) Still, thanks for pointing that out. Now, I'm even less inclined to buy a Tesla. 3) Wonder what happens in private sale of used Tesla, since the second owner never agreed to such terms, or did they? (Depends on when these terms are presented to them). Could lead to a class action, just saying... 4) Are we now at a place that in addition to the vague financial terms people will have to also comb through T&Cs before buying a car. If so, that is not a good heathy trend.
  - taborj 7y ago
    3) Wonder what happens in private sale of used Tesla, since the second owner never agreed to such terms, or did they? (Depends on when these terms are presented to them). Could lead to a class action, just saying... This is my thought exactly, and not just for Tesla. The original purchaser agreed to the privacy policy, but if the original purchaser goes on to sell that vehicle in a private transaction, then the second purchaser did not agree to said privacy policy. Also, since private sales are just that - private - how does the manufacturer know who the data is now about?
    - brokenmachine 7y ago
      > Also, since private sales are just that - private - how does the manufacturer know who the data is now about? They'll know when you need to pay the bills for their spying network and because you are forced to go to them to get the car serviced. A Tesla without Tesla dealerships is a brick. I'm super curious how much those used Teslas will be worth in 10 years time. Also they can just check all that GPS data they're collecting.
- ryandrake 7y ago
  I read the privacy policy behind your link expecting to be outraged, but they do seem to offer opt-outs, which is barely acceptable. They claim if you do not consent to their data collection, to “contact them” which is encouraging. I’d love to read about the experience of an actual Tesla owner who actually went through the process of denying consent to Tesla and see if it actually worked.

by yumraj 7y ago

dominotw 7y ago

https://www.tesla.com/about/legal https://www.tesla.com/about/legal there is section for "From or about your Tesla vehicle" Its a bit weird to agree to this when buying your vehicle and complain about it later. Its not like they are doing it behind your back like FB, they are telling you upfront what they are collecting. how can you possibly have a problem with that.

inetknght 7y ago
> how can you possibly have a problem with that. Demonstrate that a person isn't required to agree to or sign privacy-waiving contracts in order to purchase (wholly own) a Tesla vehicle. Demonstrate that the privacy-waiving contract isn't implied to be required.
yumraj 7y ago
1) Huh, what makes you believe I own Tesla - maybe that is not what you're implying but kinda confused by your wording. 2) Still, thanks for pointing that out. Now, I'm even less inclined to buy a Tesla. 3) Wonder what happens in private sale of used Tesla, since the second owner never agreed to such terms, or did they? (Depends on when these terms are presented to them). Could lead to a class action, just saying... 4) Are we now at a place that in addition to the vague financial terms people will have to also comb through T&Cs before buying a car. If so, that is not a good heathy trend.
- taborj 7y ago
  3) Wonder what happens in private sale of used Tesla, since the second owner never agreed to such terms, or did they? (Depends on when these terms are presented to them). Could lead to a class action, just saying... This is my thought exactly, and not just for Tesla. The original purchaser agreed to the privacy policy, but if the original purchaser goes on to sell that vehicle in a private transaction, then the second purchaser did not agree to said privacy policy. Also, since private sales are just that - private - how does the manufacturer know who the data is now about?
  - brokenmachine 7y ago
    > Also, since private sales are just that - private - how does the manufacturer know who the data is now about? They'll know when you need to pay the bills for their spying network and because you are forced to go to them to get the car serviced. A Tesla without Tesla dealerships is a brick. I'm super curious how much those used Teslas will be worth in 10 years time. Also they can just check all that GPS data they're collecting.
ryandrake 7y ago
I read the privacy policy behind your link expecting to be outraged, but they do seem to offer opt-outs, which is barely acceptable. They claim if you do not consent to their data collection, to “contact them” which is encouraging. I’d love to read about the experience of an actual Tesla owner who actually went through the process of denying consent to Tesla and see if it actually worked.